What Israel is doing is laying the framework for the conflict to continue another 100 years. Some may say Israel has no choice. But no one can seriously argue that this assault is going to create any kind of meaningful peace. Right now, the Palestinians don't have the weapons to inflict damage. But that day will change at some point in the future. And this repeat cycle of the last decade isn't going to be feasible at some point. I truly think these two sides will eventually simply destroy one another.
You aren't wrong, this is certainly putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. However, it's better than doing nothing. As long as the Palestinians are going to be led by a terrorist government, there will be problems.
Yeah well as long as their quality of life is so crappy and they understandably blame Israel for that - they are going to elect a radical gov't set on payback. Gaza is a miserable place to life - it has the highest population density in the world. Not from reproduction or anything, but from basically having Israel squeeze entire cities that once were all Palestinian into that tiny little space. One side is going to have to lead out of this conflict - one side is going to have to understand what it means to be human. Israel's attitude towards Gaza is build a wall around it and cut it off from itself and the world. But that is never going to work. Until Israel realizes that it has to turn Gaza into a viable place to have a decent life, there will be no end to this thing. People just need hope. People in Gaza have none.
It's not on Israel to fix the problems in Gaza, it's on the people of Gaza to fix the problems in Gaza. If they spent the time and effort on making Gaza a more viable place to live that they spend on trying to smuggle in guns and rockets to attack Israel, Gaza would be a better place. Blaming someone else for your problems is a lot easier though, and that's what they've stuck with and look where it's gotten them. The sooner the Palestinians accept that they are never taking back Israel, and that it isn't really their land anymore, and turn their focus to improving their lives and the lives of their children, the better off they'll be.
That's all fine and dandy. But the reality is that Gaza IS Israel's problem otherwise they wouldn't be fighting would they? If "they" spent the time and effort = money. Which they have little of. Israel's economy was boosted by billions of dollars. I am sure if the U.S. were to agree to give Gaza 500 million a year to build an economy that might make Gaza a better place. Blaming someone else for your problems is easier? Well, I guess if someone burns your house down and kicks you out to the street and happens to kill a few family members on the way than yeah, it's easy to blame them for one's problem! Geez. Sounds like to me you are putting the blame of this mess all on one side - the Palestinians. All too easy my friend.
Not all of the blame, but honestly most of the blame is on them. They lost any and all legitimacy they might have had when they elected a terrorist government. They waste the precious little money they have on trying to make war on Israel. They intentionally use their citizens as human shields for propaganda purposes. They continue to "poke the bear" even though the only result is more suffering for their people. I mean, it's not ALL their fault, but such a huge amount of it is their fault at this point. As to giving them money, no one is going to do so because if you gave them 500 mil a year, it wouldn't be 500 mil worth of aid to the Palestinian people, it would just be 500 mil worth of weapons to launch at Israel. Until the Palestinians fundamentally change their stance on several issues, they won't be taken seriously and aren't really deserving of sympathy. You can argue that the UN did them a disservice nearly 70 years ago, and I wouldn't disagree, but what's done is done. They can either continue to bash their heads against the wall, and have their people suffer for it, or they can work to make something of themselves. As of now, they are the crackhead on the street blaming the world for their troubles, it's not a good look.
So silly. Two can play that stupid game. Why have you not posted a single post criticizing Isareli killing of Palestinian civilians? Why have you not found the Israelis guilty of at least criminal negligence with respect to these type of killings. Why do you never criticize Israel for not adhering to international law? Hopefully as a German you don't reject international law and the Nuremberg principals.
Sweet Lou is correct. Terrorist acts were committed by the founders of Israel. The founder of the Lehi Group, which Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir was a member, even justified terrorism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group) [rquoter]Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: "Ye shall blot them out to the last man." But first and foremost, terrorism is for us a part of the political battle being conducted under the present circumstances, and it has a great part to play: speaking in a clear voice to the whole world, as well as to our wretched brethren outside this land, it proclaims our war against the occupier. We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all.[/rquoter] The Irgun was one of the major groups fighting for the creation of Israel carried out the bombing of the King David Hotel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing and massacred Palestinian civilians at Deir Yassin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre Sweet Lou is right that these people were terrorist and were even proud of being called terrorists. I will address the inevitable charge that this means that I am Pro-Hamas by saying that I also fully agree that Hamas are terrorists too. The point is that I don't consider one side good and one side bad. The truth is that both sides are very grey and both sides have a lot of blood on their hands. Many people on both sides want peace and accept the fact that neither people are going away. As I've said repeatedly both sides are held captive by extremists. As what happened to Yithzak Rabin shows those who truly wish for peace and are willing to take steps to do so have almost as much to fear from their own extremists as they do the other side.
Judo, if you want to go back in history, go back to WWI and Aaron Aaronsohn, a fascinating fellow (to put it mildly) who was an early Zionist. He was a Romanian Jew brought to Palestine as a child in the late 1800's by his parents, the area then being a part of the Ottoman Empire. His parents were among the founders of one of the earliest Jewish settlements, Zikhron Ya'akov. Aaronsohn was a scientist (Baron de Rothschild sponsored his education in Europe) who specialized in botany and geology, and made some important discoveries. The man became a consultant of the Turkish governor of the region, Djemal Pasha, and one of his responsibilities was an effective battle against huge infestations of desert locusts, which were causing widespread crop failure and famine. With the outbreak of WWI, he set up the most effective spy network in Syria and Palestine, and being close to the Turkish governor, he had freedom to travel virtually everywhere, even to Europe. He provided the British with crucial intelligence, including recommending to General Allenby that a British assault would have the best chance for success at Beersheba. Allenby acted on that intelligence and the British were finally able to break through the Turkish defenses. That spy ring was eventually exposed due to British incompetence, with his father and sister being tortured and then executed by the Turks. Aaronsohn worked hard to bring about a Jewish "Homeland" in Palestine during this period and wasn't the least bit shy about saying he wanted the Arabs pushed out of the way, if necessary. He had conflicts with everyone, including the leaders of the Jewish movements, if I can use that term, in both Great Britain and the United States. The man was, without a doubt, both a radical and a racist. Aaronsohn is an early example of the Zionists who have far too much influence in Israel today, partly because of their absurd parlimentary system, which gives power to minor political parties all out of proportion to their numbers. In a way, similar to the influence of the "tea party" today in the United States. Sweet Lou was wrong. He used the term "Genocide." That's not what has been going on. Look up what the Turks did to the Armenians during the time of Aaronsohn. That was genocide, and had a real impact on his thinking. If the Turks could do that to them, what's to prevent them from doing it to us? That act of genocide, for all practical purposes, drove him into the arms of the British. In my humble opinion, you are both wrong.
Wrong about what? Many of the founders of Israel and Zionists were terrorist. Avaraham Stern and Yithzak Shamir called themselves terrorists. Maybe they didn't use the term "genocide" but something like the Deir Massacre would be considered an act of genocide these days like Srebinica was. I can't speak for Sweet Lou but personally I don't believe that all Israelis are collectively responsible for what Lehi and Irgun did but to deny that those things weren't part of the founding of Israel is to deny history.
Be careful not to turn into the "giddyup" of Middle East history, judo. It's not a bone, and you aren't a dog.
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Get that Standwithus propaganda crap out of here. They're known to buy followers. Pathetic. Here is some proof of IDF soldiers using civilians as human shields.
And we thought there was no common ground between the Palestinians and the Israelis.....they both share the same disregard for Palestinian life and use them as human shields! I think they can build on this common hobby.
http://paltelegraph.com/bbcs-jeremy-bowen-hamas-is-not-using-palestinians-as-human-shields/ BBC’s Jeremy Bowen: Hamas is not using Palestinians as human shields Of course, the pro israeli terrorist supporters like ATW, Deckard, and Commodore will ignore this.
Is there a reason why you are ignoring the fact that ISrael only gave the Palestinians part of GAza and not all of Gaza? They don't allow Palestinians onto the small amount of fertile land there. The Israelis don't allow Palestinian fisherman to use the waters to make their living. They restrict the movement, and don't allow supplies, medicine etc. there. You can keep pretending that Palestinians have control of Gaza but it isn't anywhere in the vicinity of reality.
