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Israel Launches Ground Invasion of Gaza

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    There's been something like 3,500 rockets fired into Israel by Hamas since 2011. They respond now and they are the warmongers.

    I won't pretend that Israel's is the righteous neighbor. The situation in Gaza is terrible and Israel has lots of blame in that, but the idea that they are warmongers for responding to perpetual attacks is ridiculous.

    I don't agree with a lot of what Netanyahu says, but he is right when he says no other country in the world would show similar restraint. The US would have flattened Gaza and then bombed them again when the first responders showed up just to make sure we got all of the terrorists.
     
  2. Deji McGever

    Deji McGever יליד טקסני

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    Random Israeli dude interrupts a BBC Arabic reporter to shove him
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Sso5Fngs3f8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Palestinian activists take to Berlin streets to chant anti-semitic slogans. My German is not great, but good enough to understand. I doubt the NPD could go to the same places and say the same things and not be clubbed and tear gassed.
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/TbYTUUZLGus" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  3. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    I think most people aren't feeling sorry for Hamas. They are feeling sorry for people who are dieing. Most of whom are just civilians.
     
  4. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    The US would not have done this. I mean we spent a trillion bucks trying to rebuild Afghanistan. Maybe it was all a waste, but I think the US cares a lot about public image. You think Israel gives a crap about Gaza.
     
  5. justtxyank

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    The US does it now when it uses a double tap policy with the drones.

    Honestly I find it laughable that Obama thinks he has the moral highground to lecture Netanyahu. It's as bad as Mathloom lecturing the US about human rights. LOL
     
  6. Nivos

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  8. Nivos

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    lol, dude you are a crazy lunatic.

    You literally posted a video saying that Muslim babies are going to take over the world. lmfao
     
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  10. AroundTheWorld

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    Nope - he is right. You, on the other hand...
     
  11. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Poverty and ignorance are the threats, not Islam. It's like you're a paid shill for Israel. Oh noes, save us it's a war of civilizations!
     
  12. RedRedemption

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    So how do we stamp out radicalism without killing radicals and radicalizing the rest of their families? The Hydra is annoying.
     
  13. Nivos

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    You are so right, and I will take my statements about the Islam back.


    It's not the religion, just people who abuse it, and it is a war of civilizations, the whole existence of Israel is a war of civilizations, don't pretend to be blind about it.

    And still peace is the only solution, like you said, and education and prosperity.

    Hate and fear will only take us down, and I am sorry for letting my fears take over me.

    Israel should be strong and reach it hand for peace, relentlessly.
     
  14. g1184

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    We have quite a bit of overlap in our ideas, minus one or two differences, so I'm not going to attack somebody I partially agree with. It's not productive.

    But, the ideas that video presented is nonsense, and it passed the litmus test by garnering ATW's stamp of approval.

    The video used fertility rates as the basis of its argument, saying anything above 2.11 = civilization lives, and anything below 2.11 = civilization dies.

    China's fertility rate is 1.58 - Chinese culture isn't going anywhere. Japan's fertility rate is 1.39 - although they're experiencing economic hurdles due to population decline, their culture is not being extinguished. Russia is 1.54, and their country's borders just expanded.

    On the opposite side, a large majority of African countries have astronomical fertility rates (as shown in the picture), but you don't see people running to learn Swahili or Oromo, and black people aren't taking over the world.

    The video fails because there are a half-ton of factors that it doesn't account for, either purposely or negligently, which invalidate the author's theory. It's Islamophobic propoganda (which is why it made ATW so excited), and judging by your previous post, you're too good for it.
     
  15. Northside Storm

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    big words ATW---

    I guess you better get to action.

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    Protect women's rights in Nigeria

    Send letters to your members of parliament asking for an inquiry into American-sponsored torture centres, most notably those operated by Col. James Steele.

    Fight diligently for the end of the war on drugs, which is the reason for why the United States last funded the Taliban.

    ho hum. Time's a wasting.
     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    I didn't watch the video :cool:.
     
  17. Northside Storm

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    LOL is some dude arguing radical Islam will win because of raw fertility rate?

    Have you checked the infant mortality rates in those countries? half of the reason why so many people are being born is because of excess demand for unskilled labour---given the fact most people cannot afford to pay others wages, they have children instead, and they buffer the fact that many will die by having so many. + really stupid contraception policies.

    ohhh sure they're win the war on civilization by birthing children into squalor, out of desperation, to earn pennies on what anybody fortunate enough to be born in America would earn.

    Anyways, Krueger, the POTUS's economic biffle has really good substantive economic analysis of the situation.

    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8465.html

    I'd worry more about universities in your war of civilizations rather than raw fertility rates.
     
  18. Northside Storm

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    "Restraint"

    Tell that to the PA that has been trying non-violence, and where there have been no attacks since something like 2008. You have separation of rule of law for Arabs and Jews with different legal jurisdictions (and of course guess which is more lenient), settlers coming out of nowhere and claiming land---and to boot attacking residents---with the implicit consent of the IDF sent to protect them---and bad-faith negotiations as lined out by the Palestine Papers.

    Fatah and the West Bank have gotten almost nothing, basically. Yet they were still in overarching position to dominate the unity government arrangement---even if they were forced to by the fact their negotiating partner doesn't actually fundamentally believe in the two-state solution.

    That's when all hell broke loose---right when there was the most potential.

    If Netanyahu had shown a sliver of the "restraint" he always argues the IDF employs in the political wing---a sliver---this situation would not have deteriorated to this point.

    He must have known when he was negotiating in bad faith, imposing collective punishment on Gaza with an excessive blockade, and implying that his administration would be the best for settlers that he was headed to war, f**king over his only peaceful negotiating partner.

    Warmonger.
     
  19. val_modus

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    IF you look at the statute that Hamas was founded upon, the one calling all Palestinians to kill any Jew they see (theres a direct quote about how one day all the trees will hold out Jews, and it is your responsibility to kill them). So thinking on it, if Hamas had the capability to kill any and every Jew they could, then they would do so... Whereas Israel does indeed have the capability to kill every Palestinian loyal to Hamas, and they choose not to. I read somewhere recently that Israel uses its missiles to protect its own citizens, while Hamas uses its citizens to protect its missiles... I know the issue is not so black and white, but still.
     
  20. Northside Storm

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    Hamas are butchers. They're actually not the WORST butchers out there, seeing as they don't believe so much in the hardcore crazy as IS does, and they believe in democracy.

    What do you get when you war with butchers? Butchery. What should you do? Avoid war.
     

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