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Dwight Tweets #FreePalestine, Deletes It & Apologizes

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by BleedRocketsRed, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. ChievousFTFace

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    You act as if only one side spreads propaganda. Your technique of turnspeak has been used for decades.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-28198622
     
  2. houstonhoya

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    So has there been a blockade of Gaza or not? Because that article you fawned over claimed there never was a blockade. Israel has prevented the flow of goods, services, and people regardless of the circumstance, unconditionally, for about a decade now. Now why should anyone believe anything that article claims or anything you and Aroundthworld suggest?
     
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    Haha ya people mistakenly tweeted older photos a few times. Forgive them, but it's hard to distinguish the photos of all this senseless brutality from Israel over the years in Gaza. 2006, 2008-9, 2011, 2012, and now in 2014. They are truly a monstrous regime.

    Check the photos now though, they're plenty real friend and unbearably saddening. No need for 'turnspeak' lol
     
  4. ChievousFTFace

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    Perhaps Hamas should stop putting civilians in danger by doing things such as hiding rockets in schools.

    http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school

    I'm sure you'll claim UNRWA is clearly a pro-Israel entity or find some justification for the rockets being there.
     
  5. houstonhoya

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    Hamas is a resistance group. Resistance doesn't exist without the occupation underlying it. Lets talk about occupation brother..

    Listen I know it upsets you that more and more people globally have begun opening their eyes while you insist on their eyes remaining shut by blaming the victims. And less and less continue to fight your fight because they wake up and realize it is not only morally heinous but it is intellectually disingenuous.

    Yea all that upsets you, but I am not the one to liberate you from your Zionist ways. I'm just the son of a refugee and father of Americans trying to take back our narrative as Palestinians in the diaspora.
     
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    And thankfully, many other Americans are joining me in correcting the narrative, most importantly and most prominently among them: American Jews. I thank my Jewish brothers.
     
  7. ChievousFTFace

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    Your ability to debate using emotion only is impressive. Your ability to use facts though is sorely lacking. You will find that the massive majority American jews are strong supporters of Zionism and Israel. This does not mean that we don't want peace, do not get that confused.
     
  8. houstonhoya

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    Yea keep speaking on behalf of all American Jews. 'We' this 'we' that. 'Israel represents international Jewry'.

    Na I don't buy it. American Jews are standing up for Palestine. And not only for peace, but a JUST peace.

    @jvplive @mondoweiss @maxblumenthal @richards1052 @rosa_schiano @davidsheen I could keep going...
     
  9. ChievousFTFace

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    Of course there is a blockade. The purpose is to stop the influx of rockets and weapons materials (yes I am fully aware that not all of the items banned from entering Gaza are used for weapons materials and I'm against them being banned).

    If you read the article, it doesn't state that there is no blockade. It states that there was no blockade 9 years ago! To quote:

    This is not ancient history. This was nine years ago.

    l2read
     
  10. houstonhoya

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    Then why did Israel not honor the 2012 ceasefire treaty which mandated the removal of the siege and blockade? Why is Israel counting the calorie intake of the average Gazan? Why is Israel preventing the free flow of women and children across the border? Are they terrorists too? Are all Arabs potential terrorists?
     
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    And why are israeli MKs and government ministers openly calling for genocide against Palestinians in Gaza? Is this really about terrorism? Or is it about the consolidation of a settler colonialist enterprise?
     
  12. ChievousFTFace

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    Then why did Israel not honor the 2012 ceasefire treaty which mandated the removal of the siege and blockade?
    Did Hamas ever honor the ceasefire?
    In the hour after the ceasefire was declared, twelve rockets were launched from Gaza into Israel. All of them landed in open areas.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pillar_of_Defense#Post-ceasefire_incidents

    2013 rockets fired (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2013)

    Clearly the blockade hasn't ended and Hamas never stopped firing Rockets after the agreement. The implementing mechanism was supposed to be Egypt and they haven't been the most stable entity since 2012... Furthermore, Egypt has closed down their border with Gaza and have been fighting Hamas by destroying tunnels and prosecuting anyone aiding them.

    Why is Israel counting the calorie intake of the average Gazan?
    The Israeli military calculated the number of calories that Gaza’s residents would need to consume to avoid malnutrition during a sweeping blockade imposed on the Palestinian territory from 2007 to mid-2010, according to a document that the Defense Ministry released under a court order and that was made public on Wednesday.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/world/middleeast/israel-counted-calories-needed-for-gazans-in-blockade.html?_r=0

    Why is Israel preventing the free flow of women and children across the border? Are they terrorists too?
    Perhaps because they have been used as suicide bombers in the past.
    According to Amnesty International, "Palestinian armed groups have repeatedly shown total disregard for the most fundamental human rights, notably the right to life, by deliberately targeting Israeli civilians and by using Palestinian children in armed attacks.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict

    Female suicide bomber Wafa Idris
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_Idris

    Are all Arabs potential terrorists?
    No
     
  13. ChievousFTFace

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    You're talking about Ayelet Shaked. She's the Sarah Palin and headache that every government wished they didn't have. She doesn't represent the mainstream ideological thinking of Israelis or Jews. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/
    To use actual quotes:
    "They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.” (speaking about mothers of terrorists)

    "Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."

    Clearly she is wrong and I don't agree with her.

    On the other hand, do you condone teaching children this?

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  14. houstonhoya

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    If she is the Sarah Palin, then who is Tzipi Hotovely?

    And who is the Louis Gohmert? Reuben Rivilin? Or Bennett? Or Danny Danon? Or Ze'ev Elkin?

    It's a systemic problem, not a personalized one.

    I don't need to publicly denounce Hamas' senseless violence to prove the legitimacy of my arguments or my credibility as a source. It's obvious, Hamas is a heinous group and their acts of revenge do nothing to help the Palestinian cuss or the One State movement or the BDS movement. I do not speak on behalf of all Palestinians, much less Hamas.

    But to focus on Hamas is to blame the Palestinian people for Zionist aggression and justify these irrational military ventures into the world's largest open air prison.
     
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    Gohmert http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louie_Gohmert
    Tea Party looney toon that I'd never vote for.

    Rivilin & Danon
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuven_Rivlin
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Danon
    Likud members that believe in a one state solution.

    Elkin
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze'ev_Elkin
    Likud member who doesn't believe that there should be a reversion to the 1967 borders.

    Any more brain boggling questions?
     
  16. houstonhoya

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    Are you trying to prove my point? Appreciated
     
  17. ChievousFTFace

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    I was simply providing links since you asked questions. What is the point you are trying to prove? Of course there are people on both sides of the conflict that don't believe in a 2 state solution.
     
  18. houstonhoya

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    You misunderstood me. My point was:

    The two state solution is dead. Even hasbarist Peter Beinart has suggested that it is practically dead.

    Now focus Chievous...

    Israel is overrun with loons now. Racist right wing loons. That is undeniable to anyone who bothers to look.

    They want one state from river to sea, which is essentially what they have. The IDF totally controls all land air and sea involved.

    And yet two sets of laws govern the human beings living under Israeli control. One set of laws purports to be democratic and, to be clear, is far more democratic than the other set of laws.

    Those lesser, more Marshall-styled laws, adjudicated by the IDF itself, govern the lives of those in the West Bank and Gaza.

    But wait! Caveat! If you happen to be a settler in the West Bank, in other words, a Jew, then that first set of laws applies to you. Why? Well of course! Because Israel is in essence, a single apartheid state now. So, if one state is the most likely outcome, what kind of one state will it be?

    The likes of Danon and Bennett seek to consolidate this apartheid system and legitimize it as a one state with hidden Bantustans and other smaller Arab ghettos.

    Meanwhile, those worldwide proponents of the BDS movement advocate for a one state democracy with a government representative of ALL of its citizens with free movement for all, whether in Gaza, Hebron, or Netanya. That's what I advocate for.

    What do you advocate for?
     
  19. ChievousFTFace

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    I'm going to ignore the first half of your post because we are spinning our wheels. I did take the time to answer your questions and included links, which you could have easily included yourself.

    I advocate for a state that allows for jews to escape persecution if it is ever necessary. This is the premise behind Zionism. Negative connotations of the word come from propaganda spread. We see this in other things in the world, such as fracking.

    Besides that, I advocate whatever works. At this point, we just don't know what will. One state, Two states, Three states, Ten states... I don't really care. Everybody in the region would benefit from peace. Tourist dollars to Gaza beaches would change millions of lives.

    Are you willing to stop putting 100% of the blame on Israel? Simply boycotting Israel is only going to popularize the extremist sides even more. We must stop war. Do you think Israelis enjoy the fact that they have to go into the army at 18?

    I believe that a demilitarization of Gaza for financial aid is a good freaking start. This is the Mofaz Plan:
    For the people of Gaza, Israel would offer a "significant, economic aid package for the Palestinian population that would include a budget of $50 billion over five years for infrastructure, welfare, healthcare, education, and employment."
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4542622,00.html
     
  20. houstonhoya

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    Occupation is occupation. Apartheid is apartheid.

    Are you for a single democratic state or not? Why can't Palestinians be a part of the state that serves as refuge for Jews worldwide?
     

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