15 yr old Florida teen attacked, imprisoned, denied medical treatment

Lets talk about it then hoopster

 

Does everyone on this thread agree that Israel needs a Rabin, not a Netanyahu?

 

Agreed but it'll take more than just a new prime minister, the finance minister, interior minister and foreign minister are worse than Netanyahu. Naftali Bennett is a self described racist. Crazy stuff.

 

A nice idea, but it's not 1995 anymore. There isn't a two-state pro-peace party left other than Meretz which has *6* seats out of the Knesset's 120. Anything left of them is strictly one-state and largely seen as fringe parties.

Campaigning on peace/reconciliation has been seen as a losing proposition, as no one has been able to deliver, and doing so is seen as neglecting other meat and potatoes stuff like economy, jobs, housing shortages, etc. Even Avoda, Rabin's old party, got seats back in the last election by campaigning on rebuilding the welfare state and going after it's traditional base with pro-union, rent-control, food subsidy kinds of stuff and deliberately avoided any talk of peace.

In the late 90s, Barak got elected on a pro-peace platform with very high voter turnout, and...he totally dogged it. What came after was the Second Intifada and the rebirth of Nettanyahu's political career, who Barak cynically sat on the cabinet of and was an apologist for in order to keep the Defense portfolio.

The closest anyone came to peace since Rabin, was Olmert, of all people, and that only because negotiations were secret. I suspect if anyone can manage to accoplish anything, it will come from the tiny sliver of pragmatic center-right if only because no one else would have the political capital to pull it off. And even still, large segments of the population will be rioting and calling for his or her death, like they did to Sharon when he pulled out of Gaza. It's a tough position to be in, and would require a brave politician willing to risk their own future career.

 

But it's more than just a problem of leadership.

This stuff is disgusting but we gota call it out when it comes from either side. Unfortunately the MSM won't show the dark side Israeli society:

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/terrifying-tweets-israeli.html

 

I'm curious.

I remember back during my time in the Army, that the U.N. had a charter waiting for Palestine to sign in order to make itself a state...a state that the world community would recognize and then formally begin to assist with creating all of the current things (infrastructure, housing, employment)...that everyday Palestinians are lacking...which, I would imagine, lend itself to beginning to broker a peace between the more sober-minded people (Israeli and Palestinian), instead of having it haggled over by gunpoint.

Palestine would have to form a delegation, approach the U.N. with an elected representative, and the deal would be done, for all intents and purposes.

I don't follow this as much as I should, so I apologize if I'm asking something that's already been answered one way or another...

Why has the "two-state solution" been as difficult to implement (aside from the distressingly obvious), if the U.N., at one time at least, was solidly on the side of "modernizing" this area of the Middle East as it was with (re)creating the state of Israel?

 

Israeli girls are hot...

 

Hot racist lunatics sure

 

Again, you are pointing fingers at only one side. I won't even go into posting all the photos of hateful people on the other side, but you know they are there.

It would probably be a great start if there were more people on the Palestinian side who were able to recognize that a lot of the problem is on their own side, such as Deji who is able to recognize that part of Israel's government (and the people who support them anyway) is at fault.

The reason I am posting almost only pro-Israel is that this subforum is heavily biased against Israel. But if I were in a friendly discussion with Israeli friends and they asked me, I would tell them that the onus for fixing the situation is at least as much on them.

 

I feel you, too many Palestinians have their own prejudices against Jews. But the MSM media makes sure we know that while depicting Israelis like their some saintly White people living amongst a bunch of barbaric Arabs. We are not barbarians and not all Israelis are Jewish much less White.

Israel is not a 'villa in the jungle' like Ehud Barak once crudely explained. Israel is a well funded compound that hosts a special club of people at the expense of the native population. It's usually sold to us like its some beautiful peaceful democracy with enlightened people. It's not. And it never really was. It's always been a settler colonialist state from birth, we'd agree on that too.

 

Isn't it too easy to just portray one side as victims? What about their own responsibility? Maybe if there was less propaganda indoctrinating children to hate on Palestinian TV and a much stronger focus on education in society, their society would be in much, much better shape? Is it possible that a certain religious ideology which, in its current form, in many countries (e.g. Nigeria with Boko Haram, Pakistan/Taliban, etc.) seems to despise education is also holding people back? Why alway blame everything exclusively on the others?

 

Is this you?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/14/israel-pay-students-propaganda_n_3755782.html?l

 

Well played

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/02/bnei-akiva-israel-palestine_n_5551749.html

 

So asking you to take a step back and consider that your own side is also at fault is too much to ask and makes you think the person asking must be paid to ask. Interesting - shows where you stand.

 

LOL, you are still and always will be a troll.

 

True peace can only ever come from the right.

Look to Israel's peace with Egypt. Menachem Begin was as hardliner of a war general as they come and made peace. Same goes for Sadat who declared war on Israel.

You make peace with your enemy not your friend.

 

I agree -- but there seems a bit of revisionism about Rabin as well, both from the right and the peace camp. It's not like all those Avoda leaders from the 60s were hippies or something. Rabin was Chief of Staff in the '67 war as well as one of the earliest advocates of the territories. I think you assessment applies just as much to him as it does to Begin.

 

You want to talk about Arab mentality? Let's talk about Israeli mentality as well:

 

Most Israeli politicians come from high up in the military sector.

Ehud Barak, Ariel Sharon, Netanyahu all were in elite units.

Olmert was the only PM who wasn't a decorated military man, and he was a disaster for Israel, ended up being charged for corruption.