15 yr old Florida teen attacked, imprisoned, denied medical treatment

What a horrible horrible cycle. So much wrong has been done by both sides.

The murder of three teens from Israel was a horrible terrible crime. None of the wrong that Israel has done can excuse that murder.

The murder of the Palestinian teen by Israeli settlers was a horrible crime. None of the wrong done by Palestinians excuses that at all. Now the beating of an American teen who was in Israel is also a horrible wrong.

Here's the problem. This goes to the American method of dealing with terrorists, terrorists, and the Israeli way of dealing with terrorists. None of it works. Obama has killed more terrorists and terrorist leaders than ever before. Terrorism hasn't abated. Terrorists kill people, kidnap people, and create all sorts of crimes. None of that has gotten terrorists the world they want. Israel has been unjust in their treatment of Palestinians, taken their land, oppressed them, etc. It hasn't made Israel or Israelis any safer.

The only thing those acts do is make people feel better because the "bad guys" suffered and it gives the impression that some sort of justice is being done. Sadly that only spawns more hatred, and need for revenge or "justice". So while those needs are being satisfied, it just creates more feelings to need to use violence against someone else. But as long as there are people there is an inexhaustible supply of more terrorists and revenge killers.

The only way to stop it all is to treat people with more justice. That means that some people who've done nothing wrong will have to give up things. And to them that seems unfair and unjust. Israeli settlers will have to give up land, even ones that did nothing legally (according to the laws of Israel) wrong to get that land. Various Palestinian officials, zealot clerics, etc. who may have risen to prominence will have to give up their gains even though they haven't killed anyone or perhaps even stopped others from killing people. That's the way it has to be, and who knows if the individuals involved will ever be willing to do that.

What a shameful mess.

 

Uh, yes it has. How many Israelis are being killed today? how many Israelis were being killed during the early 2000s/Second Intifada?

 

Excellent post FB.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/defense-minister-calls-for-jewish-killers-to-be-treated-as-terrorists/

Defense minister calls for Jewish killers to be treated as terrorists

Moshe Ya’alon ‘embarrassed, horrified’ at Arab teen’s murder by suspected Jewish extremists; yeshiva head calls for killers to be put to death


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Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon condemned on Sunday the brutal kidnapping-murder last week of Palestinian teen Muhammed Abu Khdeir by suspected Jewish terrorists, saying the suspects would be treated as severely as Arab terrorists

“I am embarrassed and horrified at the cruel murder of the young Muhammed Abu Khdeir,” Ya’alon said in a statement posted to his Facebook page on Sunday evening.

“These debased murderers don’t represent the Jewish people or its values, and they must be treated as terrorists,” the defense minister said. “We will not allow Jewish terrorists from our midst to disrupt the fabric of the many different communities in the state of Israel, and to harm innocents just because they are Arabs.”

“We must battle the perpetrators [of such actions], and those who deploy them, with an iron fist.”

His comments followed similar condemnations from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other ministers and figures on the right wing, who have all come out strongly against the killing of Abu Khdeir, 16, thought to be in revenge for the slaying of three Israeli teens by Hamas-linked operatives last month.

“We will not allow extremists, it doesn’t matter from which side, to inflame the region and cause bloodshed,” Netanyahu said in a nationally televised statement. “Terror is terror… Murder is murder, incitement is incitement, and we will respond aggressively to both.”

Economy Minister Naftali Bennett, from the nationalist Jewish Home party, called the killing “terrible, immoral and anti-Jewish,” and echoed Ya’alon’s demand that the killers be prosecuted as terrorists.

Education Minister Shay Piron, who is also a prominent national-religious rabbi, called the murder “an attack on the heart of Israeliness…the personification of evil and an attack on our very humanity.”

Piron urged that “the murderers’ fate be the fate of child murderers everywhere,” and vowed that the “education system will work to deepen the discourse of mutual respect and fight against incitement, hatred and racism.”

The head of the national-religious yeshiva in the settlement of Elon Moreh, Rabbi Elyakim Levanon, told the Walla news site that the killers should be put to death under Jewish law.

“Jewish law doesn’t take pity, when you are talking about a cruel murder. Not if you are talking about the murder of Jewish youths, or the murder of an Arab youth,” he said.

Six people were arrested Sunday in connection with the killing. Though they have been identified as Jewish extremists, police officials said they were not linked to a specific group. A police official told the news site Buzzfeed that the six were known to police and were all fans of the Beitar Jerusalem soccer club, known for harboring extremist elements among its fan base.

MK Shaul Mofaz (Kadima), a former defense minister and one-time IDF chief of staff, also condemned the murder on Sunday, calling it “a terrible crime, a shame and a disgrace to Judaism and Jews.”

Jews “are taught to sanctify life, compassion and mercy. We are commanded to be a light onto the nations. The thought that an innocent youth was cruelly burned, while still alive, cleaves our hearts,” Mofaz said, also in a statement on his Facebook page.

“The State of Israel must bring justice to these murderers. And we, its citizens, must teach our children and grandchildren to be good human beings.”

President Shimon Peres said, “If a Jew kills they will be put to the court like any other criminal. There is no privilege, the law is equal to all and all are equal before the law. On that there is no compromise. We do not distinguish between blood and blood. The murder of a child is reprehensible, regardless of the religion or nationality of the child. It is our responsibility to secure life and to punish those who take it away from others.”

Peres repeated his call for an end to incitement and violence: “We must stop the incitement; it’s time to be respectful and to respect the law. It’s in our hands. We know where words can lead — to more sorrow, to more danger. It’s time for all of us to show restraint, to show understanding and let us as human beings, all of us, be true to our morality and to our hope of living together in peace.”

Several ministers condemned Abu Khdeir’s murder earlier in the day.

“This was a shocking and unacceptable act which any sane person, certainly in a strong and democratic country such as the State of Israel, must strongly condemn,” Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch said Sunday afternoon.

Finance Minister Yair Lapid said in a statement Sunday that Israelis “must all feel ashamed over the facts being uncovered in the case of the murdered Arab youth. The state of Israel can’t continue with business as usual in the face of the horrifying murder of an innocent Arab youth by Jewish murderers. There is no difference between [Jewish] blood and [Arab] blood.”

Lapid called on law enforcement agencies to “deal decisively and aggressively with the murderers,” and on Israelis “to work to eradicate the extremism in our midst.”

 

No, it hasn't. Three Israeli teens were killed just weeks ago. During the peace process and initial stages of the peace accord there were almost zero Israelis killed. That all changed and the second Intifada started when Israel didn't follow through with their peace agreements, and the Palestinians gave up their end of the peace agreement.

 

There isn't any real evidence that the America teen threw Molotov cocktails, fired slingshots, or resisted arrest.

He hasn't been charged with any of that. He was on his family's own land when the incident started. If the video turns out to be genuine, then he obviously wasn't resisting arrest.

At the very least it is definitely pre-mature to claim the American teen was doing the things you mentioned.

If evidence comes out later that proves he did, then fine, but that hasn't happened yet. The American teen is under house arrest despite no charges being filed, and the soldiers who brutalized him are free. That's not justice.

 

Very strong and moving statements by the Israeli politicians. I like the spirit behind these statements and believe them to be genuine. I just wish the other side could learn to think like that.

 

I recently had a chance to go to this part of the world for a church pilgrimage. It was a tremendous opportunity to see what I take for granted by living here...Secondly, I truly believe that this place will never truly attain peace. There is already inherent hate that Palestines and Israelis have for each other. The murders of innocent Israeli kids were committed by extremists that set of a chain of violent subsequent actions. But a simple violent action is like putting an accelerant on smoldering ashes. Things light up very quickly... Goals are redefined from peace to retaliation. Children, elderly, woman be damned...people just dont care anymore...anyone can become targets.

 

world peace achieved. if only all countries would just pen some rhetoric and stick it on the internet. i can't believe how lazy they are.

 

Yes, it's in there is a problem there with taught hate on both sides. I couldn't agree more.

It's not really fair to say which incident set off the chain of events. Supposedly the murder of the Israeli teens was in response to the death of a couple of Palestinians that happened a short time before that. Then of course there was no doubt that some incident preceded the death of the Palestinians.

Both sides have such a long history of these horrible violent acts that it's hard to say which incident sets off which chain of events.

 

I've got a very good friend living in Jerusalem now - he says that in the last 24 hours over 70 rockets have been fired Into Israel by Hamas.

Attaining Peace in the region will be difficult.

 

Who exactly is the other side...This has to be one of the biggest misconceptions that I had myself of the situation in Israel and Palestine. Israel and her citizens live in relative affluence, albeit that they have to have a constant military presence. People want to wipe them off the face of the planet...seems their paranoia is justified. Palestinians on the other hand are dirt poor; Their people consist of poor muslim palestinians, radical islamic groups, and frustrated Palestinian Christians. They have nothing; they have limited access to water(cant grow their own crops); they dont get help from other Islamic states; they are constantly faced with the threat of Israeli settlements driving them out of their lands; and their loudest advocates are Islamic militants who propose death to the "infidels..."

Saudi Arabia and other wealthy Arab states could effectively end this problem by providing a unified voice. They need to help the people of that "state" by providing resources, education, food, water...etc...instead of clamoring for the death of Jews and Americans...They have to show the world, that Palestine can stand on her feet, but they have to be willing to help her stand...

In order to promote our message of democracy and freedom, our citizens have to see the conflict from the perspective of an impartial observer...and stop consuming the BS spewed by Washington politicians, powerful lobbyist and influential media...

 

Agreed regarding this part. They are such hypocrites. They are happy to pour huge amounts of money into weapons for Sunni militant extremists, but they really don't care about Palestinians at all.

 

Part of a peace process is toning down the rhetoric and making sure that the opponent is not dehumanized. The words by the Israeli government achieve this goal. Again, I haven't seen similar efforts from the other side. They are always solely focused on their own goals, people and suffering. They hardly ever express remorse or characterize Jewish people as equal human beings. Even children are indoctrinated into believing that Jews are the root of all evil, and that goes across the whole Muslim world. Mathloom admitted as much on here. Just look at posts by extremists such as adeelsiddiqui and you see the same mindset.

 

Israeli lawmaker’s call for genocide of Palestinians

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs...de-palestinians-gets-thousands-facebook-likes

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel...ians-gets-thousands-of-facebook-likes/5390230

When a country has politicians like this, why wouldn't the illegal Jewish settlers burn children alive?

 

There are radicals on both sides. But it is noteworthy that you have to dig out a 12 year old statement by a deceased politician to keep fueling your hate, whereas the current Israeli government's rhetoric is distinctly different from the antique statement you found there. It's also noteworthy that you have to dig out something from the Israeli side from 12 years ago, when Hamas has fired more than 70 rockets into Israel just in the last 24 hours, and when Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel, and the current rhetoric and actions of Hamas - your and your cousin's brothers in spirit - are full of hate. Just like you.

 

The statement was 12 years ago. It was posted July 1, 2014 by a current lawmaker.

 

There's a good reason why people are leaving Israel, particularly the educated and relatively secular. Israeli society is becoming more radialized and more hostile to the Other, be it Palestinians, African refugee-seekers or Hebrew-speaking Arabs living in Jaffa or Haifa. I've personally seen marches in Tel Aviv attended by Knesset memebers quoting Kahane and working up the crowd to the point where they started attacking Africans and burning their homes down.

Likud made a decision to build their coalition to the right of themselves, and it means having some of these elements in senior positions. They might release statements to appease the West about how troubled they are and how the law will be applied equally, but in practice, it simply isn't the case. I've argued in the past that Apartheid is a false equivelency, but that it is moving in that direction. Living there seemed much more like Jim Crow, and the difference bewteen talk and action much more like Israel's neighbors in the Middle East than the rest of the OECD.

The Likud strategy has been for many years to manage all the parties of conflict within and relations with the rest of the world in order to maintain the status quo. Any other plan would require a sacrifice that would make them unpopular to one segment of the electorate or the other, and since Rabin (1995) the thing has always been to have a fig leaf or two (Peres being a popular one) talk about human rights and peace while things continue on without any real change.

And to be fair to Likud? Their base has moved further right and has purged the party of its moderates, with Nettanyahu being considered "too soft" on many issues. These decisions were made for its political survival but they are having long term repurcussions on Israel's future. It's not even the same place it was when I moved there in 2005, I'm afraid, and the longer this continues, the more things like BDS, with all the flaws, will continue to gain traction and gain legetimacy outside hardline anti-Israel circles.

 

If he wasn't 'taking part' in the violence, why was he wearing a balaclava/mask & in possession of a sling shot?

Where's the international outrage at the rockets fired at civilians from Gaza? Where is the international outrage at FGM, rape victims being stoned to death, the Palestinian population's celebrations of the kidnapping of three Jewish kids?

It's all political propaganda, & a damn shame that children are the ones that have to suffer & die in the process.

 

If he was doing something illegal why hasn't he been charged? Some people are claiming he was doing something illegal and attacking police. His family maintains he was doing nothing, and only started running when he saw other protestors running and got scared. If it's proven that he did something wrong, then fine. There isn't really any proof at the moment.

I've heard about the stoning of rape victims in places such as Pakistan, but I haven't heard about that in the Palestinian territories. Either way it's wrong no matter where it happens.

There have definitely been opposition voiced against rocket attacks from militants in Gaza.

I don't think it does anyone on either side to list the wrongs done against that side and look for the public outrage over it. That list would go on indefinitely for both sides.

I agree that it's absolutely horrible that children suffer and die during these terrible attacks from both sides.