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As Carmelo Anthony leans toward leaving New York, Chicago and Houston emerge as frontrunners

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#1461 Pull_Up_3, Jun 28, 2014

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This is really helpful. But probably worth pointing out that the minute we sign a max free agent, some team is gonna offer Parsons a contract we can't match. Its hard to see a scenario where we get to keep Parsons and a big 3. Unless of course he decides not to sign an offer sheet (championship possibilities; thinks he can get vastly more on the unrestricted FA market next year).

Chicago can offer a better city, a better coach, and personally I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to play with Noah (a real MVP candidate).
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WHy can't we match Parsons contract? as long as we are willing to go over the lux we are good..

IF we can get 3 legit stars, a real big 3... I have no doubts Les will pay over the Lux, thats the only way we could ever have a big 4 is by grooming someone already on the team- he is on his way.

If we do not get a big 3.. in the future we are really going to need that cap space so I have no idea what happens

Looks like Rockets are banking on getting 3 max players, then going over the lux to retain Parsons, giving the team a nasty starting core for years to come while relying on draft picks and RGV/good scouting to produce cheap competent high potential players to surround them with

If the plan works.. I like it!

Especially if we keep the rights to that NO pick (somehow?) and it falls to be a decent mid lotto pick

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I just want to add.. IF the Rockets get a max guy or even near max guy. you can spin it any way

Bev/Harden/Parsons/Love/Howard

Bev/Harden/Parsons/Melo/Howard

Bev/Harden/Parsons/James/Howard

Bledsoe/Harden/Parsons/Jones/Howard

Lowry/Harden/Parsons/Jones/Howard

ect.. so on

I think the RGV's with the chemistry they have built would be a SICK 2nd nba unit.

Canaan/Daniels/Covington/D-Mo/Jones- a bit under-sized but efficient offensively... THATS more than enough as a spark off the bench, to keep the scoring moving forward and the Rockets in the game while the 1st unit rests. You get a min decent true big to back-up ect.. and your on the way

you throw in a possible 4th lotto pick next season and Capela coming over next season ect- to fill the PF weakness with high potential players... if we keep all the assets... I'm loving the rockets future for years and years

If we trade Lin without giving up alot of good assets.. then right now is such an exciting time to be a Rockets fan

--The only let down you ask?

The uniforms and new secondary logo what a bummer

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WHy can't we match Parsons contract? as long as we are willing to go over the lux we are good..

IF we can get 3 legit stars, a real big 3... I have no doubts Les will pay over the Lux, thats the only way we could ever have a big 4 is by grooming someone already on the team- he is on his way.

If we do not get a big 3.. in the future we are really going to need that cap space so I have no idea what happens

Looks like Rockets are banking on getting 3 max players, then going over the lux to retain Parsons, giving the team a nasty starting core for years to come while relying on draft picks and RGV/good scouting to produce cheap competent high potential players to surround them with

If the plan works.. I like it!

Especially if we keep the rights to that NO pick (somehow?) and it falls to be a decent mid lotto pick
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Unless people think Parsons is going to get over about 13.8 million next season Houston will not have to go over the luxury tax threshold to sign Chandler. Even if Les does end up going into LT territory, it is very likely it would only be for next season since the projected LT threshold for 2015/2016 is already at $81 million or $4 million more than this years projected $77 million.

#1464 crash5179, Jun 28, 2014
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The good thing about the Rockets scenario, is that if they sign Melo via free agency, they will only be at a salary cap of $63.2 million and still be about $13.8 million away from the projected tax threshold of $77 million. They could still give Parsons his 10 to 12 million salary with out paying the luxury tax.
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If we sign any FA(s) to max out our cap, we're gonna be paying the tax. You're forgetting that minimums for veterans are much higher than the cap holds. And the Rockets will have room exception which they'll certainly use.

I'm sure Les will pay the tax. If he wanted to cheap his way out, he would've not bothered with Dwight and put the Rockets on the path of contention. You can't contend without paying the tax. Not unless you purposely sabatoge your championship changes(OKC) or have stars who take paycuts(SA).

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Bad for us, but Chicago team looks more promising and they are in weak east-conference

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Knicks targeting Melo-Gasol combo

The New York Knicks are increasingly optimistic about their chances of re-signing star Carmelo Anthony even as he readies himself to talk to other teams next week, according to sources close to the situation.

Sources told ESPN.com that Knicks officials, while not willing to trumpet it publicly with free agency fast approaching, are quietly confident about their odds of retaining Anthony thanks in part to the idea that new team president Phil Jackson and the high-scoring forward have "connected" to some degree.

Furthermore, one source close to the process told ESPN.com's Ramona Shelburne that Jackson is planning to make a determined attempt to try to recruit his former Los Angeles Lakers center Pau Gasol to replace the freshly traded Tyson Chandler alongside Anthony on the Knicks' front line, despite the fact New York is limited to offering Gasol less than $4 million for next season.

Time will tell if the Knicks' internal confidence in retaining Anthony proves justified, given that he opted out of the final year of his contract at $23.3 million -- with Jackson urging him to opt in -- and will soon be courted face-to-face by a handful of top teams in big cities.

The 30-year-old officially becomes an unrestricted free agent on Tuesday at 12:01 a.m. and, as ESPN.com reported earlier this week, is planning to go on visits or hold meetings with the Chicago Bulls, Houston Rockets, Dallas Mavericks and Lakers all before the Fourth of July. It also must be noted as July 1 draws near that the Bulls and Rockets have likewise been radiating no shortage of positivity about their chances of stealing Anthony away from the Knicks.

The Miami Heat are likewise expected to have Anthony's ear if they choose to formally jump into the race, thanks to the close relationship between LeBron James and the Knicks' star, sources say. But Heat president Pat Riley -- after confirming a recent ESPN.com report that Miami has Anthony on its radar despite the challenges it faces just to get James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh all re-signed -- has acknowledged that growing the Heat's Big Three into a Big Four is a "pipe dream."

Sources told ESPN.com this week that the Knicks swung their trade with the Mavericks to send out Chandler and the out-of-favor Raymond Felton to bring back a clutch of veterans in return -- headlined by point guard Jose Calderón -- in their belief that Anthony would relish the prospect of playing with the Spaniard. Calderon has been a perimeter threat and a beloved teammate everywhere he's played.

Jackson, though, was guarded Thursday in his public comments about the Knicks' chances of retaining Anthony, with New York hamstrung in what it can to do to upgrade the roster around him until it has significant salary-cap space in the summer of 2015.

"It's a big question because there are so many things that can happen out there," Jackson said. "We really don't know. With LeBron getting in this free agency ... we don't know what all that means. But we have every confidence that Carmelo is good for what his word is, that he wants to be in New York, he likes playing in New York, he wants to compete, he wants to be part of a playoff team that is competitive toward a championship."

Sources nonetheless insist that the Knicks feel far better about their chances than Jackson is letting on. No team can match the five years and $129 million that New York can provide if it wishes to offer a maximum contract to Anthony, and while Anthony is undoubtedly intrigued by the chance to team with Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and coach Tom Thibodeau in Chicago, he also still loves the Madison Square Garden stage dearly.

Amid speculation that the Knicks are reluctant to offer a max deal to Anthony, Jackson said: "We haven't come to that. But the perception is we want Carmelo to be as interested in winning. When saying he's competitive and wants to be on a competitive team to also being able to demonstrate that if push comes to shove in a situation where he may have to take a little bit less and we're more competitive to bring in another player to help us bring this concept along."

Anthony can receive a maximum of $95.9 million over four seasons if he decides to leave. Jackson has refused to address whether he will consider doing a sign-and-trade if Anthony opts to leave, but he did insist that the Knicks improved their chemistry Wednesday by shedding Chandler and Felton in the Dallas deal and contends that the trade sends "a message to all of our players that we are on the move and we are making changes."

As ESPN.com reported earlier this week, sources say Chicago has been plotting its free-agent pursuit of Anthony all the way back to the January trade of Luol Deng, while Houston on Wednesday night struck a deal to trade center Omer Asik to New Orleans in the first major step toward clearing enough salary-cap space to pursue Anthony or James. The Rockets have been telling teams for weeks that they have a subsequent trade lined up to move out guard Jeremy Lin if a marquee free agent verbally commits to Houston.

Chandler, for his part, thinks his return to the Mavericks will enhance Dallas' pitch to Anthony greatly.

"[Anthony] wants to win and he wants to be in a system and he wants to be in a culture," Chandler said this week. "I think that's going to go into a big part of his decision-making.

"I'm going to do whatever I can to help the team and the organization. At the end of the day, free agency is kind of an individual thing ... But I'll tell you one thing: Dallas isn't a bad place to be; it's a great opportunity and clearly we've done it in the past. It's not a hard place to sell. I'm going to do whatever it takes."
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If we sign any FA(s) to max out our cap, we're gonna be paying the tax. You're forgetting that minimums for veterans are much higher than the cap holds. And the Rockets will have room exception which they'll certainly use.

I'm sure Les will pay the tax. If he wanted to cheap his way out, he would've not bothered with Dwight and put the Rockets on the path of contention. You can't contend without paying the tax. Not unless you purposely sabatoge your championship changes(OKC) or have stars who take paycuts(SA).
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My point is that after signing a 3rd star (and prior to resigning Chandler), the Rockets will still have almost $14 million before they hit the threshold for this season. Plus even if they do go over it will not be by much even after filling out the roster. Another thing to consider is that the projected threshold this season is $77 million but the projected threshold for next season is $81 million so there is a very good chance that the Rockets will not go over the threshold 2 seasons in a row. Of course if they find a player with the MLE next summer they could blow right by the new threshold.

#1468 crash5179, Jun 28, 2014
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WHy can't we match Parsons contract? as long as we are willing to go over the lux we are good..

IF we can get 3 legit stars, a real big 3... I have no doubts Les will pay over the Lux, thats the only way we could ever have a big 4 is by grooming someone already on the team- he is on his way.

If we do not get a big 3.. in the future we are really going to need that cap space so I have no idea what happens

Looks like Rockets are banking on getting 3 max players, then going over the lux to retain Parsons, giving the team a nasty starting core for years to come while relying on draft picks and RGV/good scouting to produce cheap competent high potential players to surround them with

If the plan works.. I like it!

Especially if we keep the rights to that NO pick (somehow?) and it falls to be a decent mid lotto pick
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That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

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I curious, how do they plan on signing Gasol? The most they will be able to offer him should be about $3.2 million in season 1 since they are over the threshold and can only offer the tax payers MLE.

Sign and trade maybe?

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I curious, how do they plan on signing Gasol? The most they will be able to offer him should be about $3.2 million in season 1 since they are over the threshold and can only offer the tax payers MLE.

Sign and trade maybe?
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If it's about Pau Gasol then there is no team that will offer him more than 3.2/year, he should go on vet.minimum

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Why would playing with Pau Gasol entice him more than Howard and Harden?

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My point is that after signing a 3rd star (and prior to resigning Chandler), the Rockets will still have almost $14 million before they hit the threshold for this season.
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Correct. Add $10mil to Parsons salary(assuming he re-signs for $11mil), $2mil for the room exception, another $2mil for some veteran FAs, another mil or two from signing and cutting players with semi-guaranteed contracts, add some more for mid-season trade to upgrade the roster... The only way the Rockets don't meet the tax is if they start to be cheap from here on out. Hard to do if they just signed Melo or LeBron or Lowry or anyone else to contend.

Plus even if they do go over it will not be by much even after filling out the roster. Another thing to consider is that the projected threshold this season is $77 million but the projected threshold for next season is $81 million so there is a very good chance that the Rockets will not go over the threshold 2 seasons in a row. Of course if they find a player with the MLE next summer they could blow right by the new threshold.
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If the Rockets don't use their MLE next year, then I can safely say they'll never attract another big time FA to come here to win ever again under Les' watch. I'm pretty sure Morey's pitch to Dwight, and his future pitch to LeBron and Melo, doesn't include "We may not spend our MLE in the future cause the owner doesn't want to pay the tax."

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Why would playing with Pau Gasol entice him more than Howard and Harden?
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I don't know, dude. But Calderon and Pau Gasol are Spanish veterans, both winners. And we all know Melo loves the spotlight in New York. So, who knows he might consider staying afterall ...

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The Cat, I thought you had sworn off the NBA after the failed Gasol trade and then the Dwight trade to the Lakers? Are you going to be okay if none of these big FAs choose Houston?
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Why are you still even here? Why should you care about these teams if Houston is the worst sports town in the entire country? How could Dwight Howard possibly sign away the prime of his career to Houston, given that fact?

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=89220&postcount=14

Oh, what's that? You made that post out of frustration? An obviously exaggerated emotional reaction, of which your opinion modified over time? How unheard of for that to ever happen in over 15,000 posts on a message board for sports diehards.

Those in glass houses...

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Good synopsis. I wonder where you gathered all that info from.
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Who else? The one and only Master Capologist! ^^^

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If it's about Pau Gasol then there is no team that will offer him more than 3.2/year, he should go on vet.minimum
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Pau played 60 games, averaged 31 minutes with 17 PPG, 10 RPG and 1.5 BPG and you think the most any team will offer him is $3.2 million a season? Your really not that naive right? I'm assuming your just joking.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Any chance you have to play with Amare Stoudemire, Andrea Bargnani & (the promise of) Pau Gasol instead of HOU or CHI, you gotta do it.</p>— David Weiner (@BimaThug) <a href="https://twitter.com/BimaThug/status/482761393393766400" data-datetime="2014-06-28T05:44:20+00:00">June 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I curious, how do they plan on signing Gasol? The most they will be able to offer him should be about $3.2 million in season 1 since they are over the threshold and can only offer the tax payers MLE.

Sign and trade maybe?
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Phil Jackson is just full of crap. He's a master media manipulator. The same way he used to whine about the refs in the playoffs right before a big game.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Any chance you have to play with Amare Stoudemire, Andrea Bargnani & (the promise of) Pau Gasol instead of HOU or CHI, you gotta do it.</p>— David Weiner (@BimaThug) <a href="https://twitter.com/BimaThug/status/482761393393766400" data-datetime="2014-06-28T05:44:20+00:00">June 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Parsons>Barg
Harden>Amare
Howard>Pau
Houston Bench>NY Bench

Unhappy Wife <<<<< Happy Wife

Sorry guys

4 >'s to 5 we lose

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