Dick Cheney has been wrong on Iraq since 2002 when he pushed for war. Why listen to him now?

There's a lot of failings in the Obama admin.

I get the cable ratings angle to nit pick the stupidest things for dummies and crazies to relate with, but there's enough legit controversies to choose from.

The cynical side of me feels like this polarization is encouraged not to promote changes with Conservative policies and ideas, rather to promote further paralysis and sustain the Bush status quo.

 

this pretty much sums up the past 6 years

 

When he voted yes to authorize the use of the military in 2002?

 

Dick Cheney of 2014 disagrees with Dick Cheney of 2009 on Iraq.

 

I just love how the right throws this canard out all the time.

You do realize that vote was forced on congress a month before an election right? With us or Against us.

 

The polarization is encouraged to get votes. That's all.

Republicans do not care about status quo. Politicians only care about votes. It's a tool to paint the opposition as being on the wrong side of the tracks. It's irrelevant which side of the tracks you previously stood on, just as long as right NOW, you are on the "right" side.

 

I disagree. The status quo is exactly what Republicans want as the status quo includes the lowest tax rates, particularly the rates on capital gains and dividends, than we had seen since before WWII. They don't need to make further moves in this area, they just need to gridlock everything so that those rates can't be changed.

 

Going to war in Iraq was not status quo

 

I misunderstood you then, I was talking about the status quo right now.

 

Cheney shot a hunting partner in the face and chest -- you shouldn't take advice from anyone that stupid.

 

Right, my point was about polarization. It doesn't matter what position you take, just so long as it's the exact opposite of your opponent. On any given issue at any given time, they could flip flop, they don't care.

 

The Bush status quo... where bubbles, 1% paydays, militarization, erosion of the public safety net and massive public debt reined supreme.

We are still in it.

The Tea Party claims to despise the Bush era, but they're void of any clout to push their agenda, so they're perfectly satisfied to paralyze the government with a sitting Dem president.

I guess to them, it doesn't matter if the US goes to **** as long as it's not on their watch, and you'll be sure as hell of them not accepting the US improve "progressively" on their watch.

I think the Conservative establishment is less in line with that, and would rather pass reform as long as taxation, regulation and curtailing the wealthy isn't involved, which right now is a pretty good era for them given all of the instability Wall Street has caused and governments have been propping up.

 

No one is taking advice from the guy who got shot.

 

Laura Ingraham To Republicans: Stop Talking About Iraq Already!

Call her crazy, but Laura Ingraham doesn't think it helps Republicans to re-open a debate over a war that the overwhelming majority of Americans now view as a mistake.

Ingraham weighed in Thursday night on the "O'Reilly Factor" about the recent war of words between Bill Clinton and Dick Cheney.

Clinton said this week that the former vice president's scathing criticism of the Obama administration over the unraveling situation in Iraq — typified by an angry op-ed piece he co-wrote with his daughter, Liz Cheney — has been "unseemly."

Cheney responded with a not-so-veiled reference to the Monica Lewinsky scandal during a speech Wednesday evening in Montana, quipping that "f there’s somebody who knows something about unseemly, it’s Bill Clinton."

Ingraham (who supported the Iraq War) told Bill O'Reilly (who also supported the Iraq War) that she has "enormous respect for the Cheneys." She also said that she understands why the former vice president continues to believe the 2003 invasion was the right thing to do, despite the fact that the war's central justification — the existence of "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq — proved to be a total dud.

But according to Ingraham, the war's merits have been trumped by poll numbers. The people have spoken, and it would behoove Republicans to listen.

"The problem is when you go to the public on this, Bill, if we think this is somehow going to help the Republican Party in 2014 or 2016 to be re-litigating Iraq on a daily or weekly basis, I don't think that's a winner," she told O'Reilly.

"The idea that you're going to kind of one-up Clinton on this, I don't think that that's ultimately — as a political matter, that's different than a foreign policy matter — it's gonna work," Ingraham added.

She may have seen the latest NBC News / Wall Street Journal poll that came out this week — or perhaps any survey on Iraq since 2006. According to the NBC / WSJ poll, 71 percent of Americans say that the war "wasn't worth it."

A USA Today / Pew Research survey released earlier this year showed that even a majority of Republicans consider the war a failure.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/laura-ingraham-republicans-iraq-2014-2016

 

Liz could conceivably be working for the RNC now or going forward, but Dick's not running for anyone or anything and has worked for 4 or 5 GOP admins, strategically speaking he can say what he wants. And Bill Clinton will always have a weak spot when chastising others' tact or propriety, that's the toll he pays for threading the needle legally to conceal some really disappointing personal behavior on company grounds and company time.

 

Gotta say, Dubious, that were I going to your gym, I'd tell them to either change the channel to a cable news network that actually reports the news, or to some innocuous channel like HGTV. Anything but that crap!

 

There 10 or 12 TV's on different channels, one is also MSNBC. All are closed captioned.
My headphones are rocking.