Maybe I missed where it was confirmed, but who or where was it reported that Minny wants $10 million in cap space in order to trade Love? Or are you saying that this would make it more appealing to them? I know you don't want to trade Parsons, but who could offer more than Parsons, Jones, our #25 pick, the new pick from NO, and maybe 2 more first round picks from us all for LOVE only? I'm not saying it isn't possible, I'm just curious as to what other deal out there would be better than this POTENTIAL deal? Also, in any equation, whomever would offer a better deal than our proposed deal would have to be a team that Love would give a verbal agreement to resign with, most likely in order for them to offer more than that potential trade....I would think.
Serious answer would probably Budinger or Brewer, whoever gets traded to Houston as part of a salary dump. Also if we trade for Love, the Rockets retain their MLE so a FA or a Euro like Papnikolaou are in play.
Why would we take on any of Minny's salary to get Love if we were to give up Parsons, TJones and 4 first round picks which includes the new pick from NO? They are not interested in taking on Lin, so we don't have enough salary going out to take on more salary. Why do you not think it's not serious to consider Lebron being our SF if we get Love? Although it may be a long shot, it is possible to structure under the CBA, so if we can get a Love trade agreed to, it is really Lebrons decision at that point if he would want to join our team and form a super Big 4. Or am I missing something?
The only way to make that work is for Parsons to be s&t'd to Minnesota, i can't really see him wanting that unless the offer is ridiculous (like 11m/yr)
That's exactly what it would take because whatever he is signed for would only count half in the trade. But that's also why I think he would accept it...GETTING PAID! I'm sure it would be sentimental at first for him to leave Houston, but he knows it's a business and becoming worth upwards of $44 million will make it more palatable I'm sure.
What if A bell means Abel. Another biblical reference? Maybe a story like Cain and Abel where LeBron betrays his brothers? Genesis 4 tells this story. Doc had been using the #4 a lot. http://www.realityreviewed.com/Brotherhood.htm - I didn't read it all but this is some movie called the Brotherhood of the Bell and it references Abel in the description.
The question then becomes why doesn't he just go out and find someone else to pay him? that he might actually want to play for.
Because if we decline his option, he is a restricted free agent. Whatever someone else offers and has him sign an offer sheet for, we have the right to match no matter what. Then we can trade him to Minny with or without his consent. But I don't think anyone is going to offer him a contract more than 11 or 12 million a year. So I think he probably knows that 11 million a year would be him maxing out his income potential. All these players love the game of basketball and sometimes the teams that they are on, but they are also in it for the money as well...as they should be.
You get a 12 month no trade clause if a team matches an RFA offer, so no we can't then trade him to Minny, and the player can for the life of the contract, never be traded to the team he signed the offer sheet with.
Minnesota needs a pathway to competitiveness and the ability to retain Rubio long-term. Cap space gives them the opportunity to chase Pau this year and Marc next summer. That would for sure keep Rubio in town. I'm telling you....quit wasting time trying to include Parsons in a trade for Love. Be realistic about the Love situation. He's leaving Minnesota. And if they wait until Melo has signed on with Houston or Chicago...then Minnesota has lost even more trade leverage. And if they wait until the trade deadline...then they might as well let him expire and walk...because teams aren't going to give up assets for Love when he is going to walk. And the team that he is going to walk to has NO REASON to give up assets for him when they can sign him in the summer for no assets. It's not a tenable situation for Minnesota. Flip and the front office know they have to move Love and they know they have to move Love soon. All this finagling with Morey is about maximizing what Minnesota gets for Love and about giving the path forward to competitiveness that they are seeking. A pile of first round picks over the next 4-5 years doesn't do that. A couple guys on rookie contracts don't do that. Keeping their cap clogged doesn't do that. 1. Cap space 2. A young player or two 3. A quality vet player or two on a value contract. 4. a few quality draft picks that represent real value. Whichever team gives Minnesota the best combination of the above that represents the best path forward to playoff competitiveness next season...will get Love in trade.
If true, and I'm not doubting you, then that's an excellent point that I was not aware of. So in that case, Parsons would have to agree to a SnT to Minny. I guess we would have to make the salary so good that he would accept it.
1. Boston's trade exception is not large enough to swallow Kevin Love. They could use that trade exception to swallow up Kevin Martin and possibly Shved. However Kevin Martin is more long-term money on the books for them. That's another contract they have to clear along with Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace next summer if they are going to try to round out their roster with their own big three. Love and Rondo are both expiring deals set to get raises up to $20 million each. With those two contracts on the books Boston has to have the ability to clear cap to chase Marc Gasol or some other max free agent next season. So while they do have a trade exception it is useless unless they can build a big 3 to challenge Miami. It's just not going to happen. 2. Boston does NOT have a draft pick package that is better than the New Orleans pick along with 2 of our own non-guaranteed draft picks. All the picks that Boston owns that are non-guaranteed are their own and Brooklyn's. Our picks in 16 and 18 non-guaranteed are just as valuable. And all the rest of the picks Boston has have lottery protection on them. Our New Orleans pick trumps them. They do not have much better picks. They don't even have as good of a pick as we do. 3. Yeah...they have players on par with Jones and DMo. But here's what they don't have the ability to win a championship if they acquire Love. And if they give up all their assets for Love and don't get past Miami's re-signed big 3 plus extras (they won't) then they are up a creek next summer. Meh.....don't ignore what Morey is doing here. Don't ignore it. There is no team that can give Minnesota the 3 things I listed above. Golden State keeps trying but they won't get there. We've already made $8 million of salary disappear and we're getting ready to make another $8.3 million of salary disappear. That salary plus the non-guaranteed salaries plus guys like Jones/DMo adds up to a huge chunk of salary we can take back with Love that Golden State and Boston simply can't compete with.
Since the only teams willing to trade for Love are contenders, since that's all he's going to sign with, they'd trade for him, it makes life easier for those teams knowing that they then don't need to clear out cap space the following offseason, take Golden State for example, they'd need to looking at selling half their roster to fit him in as a free agent. Also Minnesota could very well benefit from Houston or Chicago needing to clear space for Melo, allowing them to grab our/chicago's picks in a 3 way trade. It's trading him while the market is frozen for Lebron and Melo that is making the offers particularly crap, Chicago are zeroing in on Melo and have basically pulled out, we've got Lebron at #1, and neither us are really going to involve ourselves in Love unless Minnesota is ok with our lowballs.
I see what you are saying. But based on that, it also makes sense to deduct that they won't get all of those things because the team needing to make the best offer will want some verbal commitment from Love to resign there. That limits the teams and what they may be willing to offer. If we can get Love, which I wouldn't want to do until after Lebron signs with us or elsewhere (which I think will be with us), then I would do whatever deal that would work for both teams to agree on which works under the CBA...whether we keep or lose Parsons. I am not intent on trading Parsons, I love him on the team. I just didn't think we could make a trade with Minny that would work without him, if under my scenario it is after we sign Lebron. Of course, I don't think Lebron is staying in Miami which is strictly based only from my own analysis of the situation. But of course, I could easily be wrong. But I also think we have the best to offer him and like Dwight, he will realize it and sign with us. So then the question becomes what do we do after that? I want to trade for Love at any and all costs that keeps us Harden, Lebron and Dwight. I would give up Parsons, Bev, TJones and up to 4 first rounders and a couple of second rounders if it meant we could match up those four together. I wouldn't give up that much if I didn't have to, but I would do it if that's what it took.
LOL stop reaching. The whole thing about Parson saying this is where you start but not where you finish, is a very common saying. Hes not trying to go all doc rocket all us and speaks in code. Also, teams don't usually let players know they are going to be traded before they are. Lots of players found out they got traded, the same way fans find out.
Look forward Aleron. If they wait until Lebron has re-signed with Miami (or possibly moved to Houston) and then they wait until Melo has signed with Chicago (or Houston)...they have lost the possibility of trading Love for whatever pile of assets those particular teams had on the table. And if they wait until those deals have been settled to trade Love....they've also probably lost the ability to go get Pau....ESPECIALLY IF ZBO OPTS OUT IN MEMPHIS. If Minnesota waits until late July.....they're going to lose trade value as the trade market will shrink. And they're going to lose free agency opportunity. Now....I'm not saying they won't wait. Teams do stupid stuff all the time. But what I'm saying is we should be on heightened alert tonight and over the next couple days concerning a huge move for Kevin Love. Our odds will never be higher of acquiring Kevin Love than between now and July 1.
