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[Woj] Houston plans to pursue Kevin Love

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Swishh, May 18, 2014.

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  1. basketballholic

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    You got it.
     
  2. Jpripper88

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    No chance Dallas or Houston offer Bosh the max. None.
     
  3. Fullcourt

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    I wouldn't be surprised if you are wrong on both accounts.
     
  4. justtxyank

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    Same here. If Bosh is leaving Miami I have no doubts someone will offer him the max.
     
  5. HR Dept

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    I have know doubt as well that someone would, but I highly doubt that Morey is that someone. At least I hope not. Imo, adding Bosh to this team at max money is a great idea if the Conference Championship is your goal.
     
  6. leroy

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    I do. He's not a max player. I think he'll find that the rest of the league knows it, too, and will re-sign with Miami or go home to Dallas for a discount.
     
  7. finsraider

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    True, but I'd challenge you to find an example of this. It just simply does not happen......though I think you know that and are just playing devils advocate for them.

    In the modern day, promises don't mean anything without a contract.

    And I'll add.....if something like this were to happen, you can bet the following year there would be changes to how Bird rights work.
     
  8. justtxyank

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    He's not playing devil's advocate. He's is a fantasy theorist. He spends a lot of time coming up with all sorts of complicated fantasy theories and just keeps spinning out more as the last one doesn't happen. He deserves credit for creativity and persistence.
     
  9. finsraider

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    Don't know about that. Harden/Bosh/Howard has great offensive and defensive balance. The "twin towers" will help cover up for Harden's defensive lapses, and Bosh can stretch the floor on offense.

    Add in a guy like Sergio Llull as a distributor, and you've got a younger, more athletic version of the Spurs.
     
  10. robbie380

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    Conversely, I have no doubts no one will offer Bosh a max. ;)
     
  11. xtruroyaltyx

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    No idea what the teams think, but I know I would not be ok with Bosh at Max money.

    He cannot carry a team for any amount of time. He's not going to take a game over and push a team to victory.
     
  12. LikeMike

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    Well, neither would probably Dwight. You don't have to be "the guy" to be a max guy. If a player has the size, is a very good rebounder (I know his last numbers in Miami were bad, but he was averaging 11 rebs per game before), can score close to the basket and from the perimeter, is a great passer and a great defender he is probably gonna get the max.

    The question really only is: why did his play got worse in his time in Miam? How much is that because of him having to play C for long periods? How much is that because his role on offense was greatly reduced?

    I would be ecstatic if we signed him. I think putting him next to a dominant big men would really help him. And I think from a playstyle standpoint, he fits our needs perfectly.

    And about the money again: We have Harden and Howard at the max and PArsons will proabably get something between 8-12 million. We won't have capspace in the next 3 years anyways. Even if we would slightly overpay Bosh, that doesn't really matter... and I don't believe he doesn't deserve the max.
     
  13. Nook

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    Really?

    It is looking more and more like the Morey will wiff on James, Anthony and Love.

    Lowry may very well go to LA, TOR or MIAMI.

    Who is left?

    If Morey really did promise Parson's agent he would not pick up the option, that puts the Rockets in a REAL bind.

    So, that leaves Bosh... and I can completely see Morey sign Bosh for the most he can scrape together, and go to war with: Howard/Bosh/Parsons/Harden/Beverley
     
  14. Deuce

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    Bosh won't be available unless Lebron leaves Miami. And if LeBron leaves Miami...he should come to Houston. :)
     
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    Stopped reading right here.

    Dwight can and has carried a team. He carried the Rockets in our play off games while Harden was MIA.
     
  16. xtruroyaltyx

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    I would not be ok with giving Bosh a max deal.

    Offering him something which would also allow us to get Lowery? Sure...
     
  17. xtruroyaltyx

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    Lowry
     
  18. LikeMike

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    Yeah emotionally - and on defense. Alright. But he is not the guy you just continue to feed in the post. And if you look at Miami, there were several games in which Bosh scored over 10 points in the 4th quarter and hit clutch shots. I was just trying to point out, that not only guys you feed in the clutch and that you look to when you desperately need a bucket (and no, neither is Dwight) deserve the max, but also the guys that play great defense, good offense and do all the little things...
     
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    There were no examples of the big 3 before they came together. There were no examples of a team completely opening up their cap to sign 3 max contracts before 2010. But it happened.

    Now it's time for them to stay together and add pieces around them. So, it's got to be creative. And it's going to require TRUST. Any way you look at it, it's going to require TRUST.

    Here's the point: Let's say that Lebron, Bosh, and Wade all agree to deals starting at $14 million. Guess what???? Lebron and Bosh are giving up somewhere around $25 million each. They're going to have to TRUST Riley and Arison to bring in the talent they need to win a championship.

    That requires more TRUST than all 3 guys signing one-year deals for below market value. Because the odds of Lebron and Bosh having career ending injuries next season and not being able to drum up max contracts somewhere is very, very low.

    Any way you cut it, it is going to be a unique solution if the big 3 stay together and stay compeetitive. And it is going to require TRUST.

    So.....one-year contracts for all 3 or at least one of the players (Wade) signing a one-year deal at the minimum are OPTIONS that have to be considered. You can talk fantasy and all that bs. Doesn't matter. If the big 3 are going to stay together and compete for rings.....something has to give. No way around it.

    Here's the choices:
    1. Everybody opts out and re-signs long-term deals significantly below their maxes.

    2. Everybody opts out and signs one-year contracts for below market value with the opportunity to sign fresh deals after next season.

    (My solution, #2, requires trust on both ends of the deal. Riley has to trust that Lebron and Bosh aren't going to walk away. Lebron and Bosh have to trust that Riley is going to build out the team right.)


    Now........will it happen??? I don't know. But it's a LOGICAL POSSIBILITY....not just fantasy.
     
  20. finsraider

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    No. It's not logical. I'm involved in private investments, and no matter how much I trust someone (which is key), if you can't make the numbers work, you aren't getting capital.

    The numbers don't work. You've created a scenario that leaves out key risks and makes implausible assumptions.

    Whatever they choose to do, it won't be your scenario.
     
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