Yes it works. I've already looked at it multiple times. And I'm not going to spend the time to write it all out for you. But it works. Use your imagination and put together the transactions using the +$5 million rule and the 150% rule. Outgoing Salaries: Asik/Lin/Jones/Powell/Casspi/Covington/#25 Incoming Salaries: Love, Martin, Mbah A Moute, Shved It's one massive trade. That's just one reiteration of it. And the point remains we have the ability to give Minny cap space.
These trade scenarios are blowing my mind in the completely wrong way. Let's all wait till Lebron/Melo decide what to do.
Can someone with salary cap and trade rule knowledge let me know if this is POSSIBLE...not if it is likely, but if it is POSSIBLE? If there is an agreement by the teams, on the appropriate dates, we decline Parsons option, then resign him for 4 years about $44million....in order to trade Parsons, TJones and Beverly to Minny for Love? Then... We trade Asik, Lin and DMo and the #25 pick to Miami for Lebron James resigned for his new max of $19 million or whatever it is, or as close as we can to it for what the trade rules allow. That would leave us with: Howard 21 million James 20 million Love 15 million Harden 14 million Totaling approximately 70 million in salary..I know I rounded everything off, but I don't feel like going through all the threads to find the exact number. I know that would be close, and close to luxury tax and actually go over it when adding the rest of the roster...but LES SHOULD be willing to pay it for this team of course. We would have to fill out the roster with the MLE, since we got both other stars via trade, it should be available if I am not mistaken. And then with vet minimums and any second round picks we have. I think we might still have Canaan, Daniels and Covington as well, unless I am forgetting someone. We could of course use the MLE first and foremost on a starting PG...and then fill out the rest of the roster as best as possible. I trust that Morey and Les would find a way to find the right players given that powerhouse lineup. And that is just for the first year. The second year we would have more drafts picks and exceptions to use to make the bench even stronger. Is it even possible giving the rules and regulations of the salary cap and trade rules? (Regardless of if Minny and/or Miami would agree to it) Sorry for writing all of this if the salary cap and trade rules don't even allow it. LOL
Yes. It's possible. Highly, highly unlikely. Too many moving parts and players. The rockets would only have the room MLE available....not the full MLE.
Actually the Parsons, Bev, Jones trade for Love doesn't work. Parsons outgoing trade value would only be $5.5 million (50% of new salary). So we'd have to cobble together more salary to get Love. WANTP.
Thanks for the answer!! I hope you are correct, because I wouldn't put it past Morey. While I would hate to see Bev and Parsons go, I think you give them up if you look at it as Bev and Parsons for Love, so to speak. Minny would be getting 3 of our starters for one of theirs. We could even throw in another pick if it took it to seal the deal. Miami, well if Lebron says he is leaving no matter what, and wants them to trade with Houston or he signs somewhere else outright and they get nothing, possibly leading him to Chicago to face the Heat and destroy them in the future, I think they take Asik, Lin, DMo and the #25 pick verses letting him walk for nothing. It also helps their leftover roster to stay competitive in the East, especially with LeBron now in the West. And they get cap space in 2015 with Asik and LIn expiring, if I am not mistaken..maybe, maybe not. And just so that I understand, two things: 1) Why do you feel there are two many moving parts? Both trades are essentially 3 players for 1 with salaries that almost match exactly. 2) Can you tell me what the room MLE is and why we would have that and not the FULL MLE since we acquired both players via trade? (Not that I doubt what you are saying, just trying to understand why.)
You didn't list it as a single trade... As a single trade it still would not work because the rule is the lesser of 150% + $100K or 100% + $5M. We would be acquiring more than $30M ($30,092,862) in salary and sending out less than $23M ($22,960,451), even if we sent Asik, Lin, Jones, DMo, Covington, and the Casspi and Powell contracts. To get to $25M, we would have to trade Canaan, Beverly and Daniels as well. So, to take on those contracts the Rockets would have to trade every player other than Harden, Howard, and Parsons. That is the only way it is doable.
See, I didn't know this rule. That's why I'm asking. I would LOVE to keep Parsons, pun intended. So with Parsons' 5.5 mil, Bev approx 1 mil and TJones, 1.5 mil, that would be about 8 million. How much more salary would have to go out to get close to Love for the trade to work? Can any of our other players that I didn't name in the Miami trade be used to make it work?
How does timing affect the amount that Parsons new salary will count in the trade? I am assuming that all of this happens around July 11th, but how much longer would Houston have to wait before they could trade Parsons and count his full new salary in the trade for matching purposes?
I'm not going to break it all down for you again. Search my post history. I've laid it out before. There are many different iterations of the trade that will create Minny over $10 million of cap space to sign Pau...provided we can trade Asik for a pick. And then either forward the pick to Minny or send the pick and Lin to a 3rd team who then sends back a quality player like Afflalo. I have laid it all out before. Look it up.
PERFECT! I didn't have them on the team anyway. LOL Minny can then release them and not have to pay them correct? I know you LOVE Parsons, but don't you think if we could pull this off, that it would be the best way to go to win CHAMPIONSHIPS? PG: MLE/Canaan/(Brooks again maybe?) SG: Harden/Daniels SF: Lebron/Vet minimum (Garcia again possibly) PF: Love/Covington C : Howard/Vet minimum Plus our second round picks and other vet minimums to round out the roster. What's not to LOVE about that lineup?
LOL. I helped you make your trade work. That doesn't mean it is going to happen. It's not. First of all for it to happen Parsons has to go through restricted free agency and agree that he wants to spend the next 4 seasons playing in Minnesota. Secondly he's got to agree to play for $44 million. And thirdly...... We are not trading Parsons. LOL. Come on guys. Give.it.up.
Hey basketballholic, you think there's a chance we're trading Parsons? Haven't heard much from you on the matter but would love to hear your input.
LOL....I love your We Are Not Trading Parsons lines. But honestly, two things: 1) You don't think Houston would do it IF it meant getting BOTH LOVE & LEBRON to team up with Howard & Harden???? 2) You don't think Parsons, as much as he loves Houston, would agree to sign for $11 mil per year to play in Minny, if the Rockets made it clear that he was being traded no matter what to make it work? I mean, even if it signs an offer sheet for a little more, say $12 mil per year, the Rockets can still match it and make the trade whether he wants to or not. I doubt any teams would offer him more than that at this point. The key to both of these trades would be Morey's ability to get the Love deal agreed to first and then let Lebron know what we have to offer him. If Lebron agrees, the only problem would be if the Heat were stupid enough to not play along and let Lebron walk for nothing and end up like the Lakers. We could always sweeten either deal with more future picks if need be. I know this is fantasy land...BUT IT IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!
1. No, I don't think Miami would do it. 2. I think it is an extreme stretch to ask Parson to sign for $44 million to play in Minny. And Morey has already said....Parsons is going to be here for a long time.
Okay, I understand and respect your opinion on the matter. But I also think that Miami would be foolish to let LeBron walk for nothing instead of sending him to the West and getting back some assets. Miami could have a team of: Lin/Chalmers Wade/Allen(if he doesn't retire or leave) Beasley Bosh/Lewis Asik/Birdman Plus the #25 pick in this years draft. That teams still competes heavily in the East with Lebron gone. If Miami loses LeBron for nothing, they will be a mess just like the Lakers. Also, I believe as much as Morey has good intentions with Parsons, that with his past behavior as a GM, if he had the chance to add Love and Lebron, while keeping Howard and Harden, that nothing and no one on earth could stop him, including himself.
