American POW freed in prisoner swap. And the GOP doesn't like it.....

I find your posts on rationality interesting.

 

Hey as I said we do not honor the dead by rationalizing stupid unnecessary wars.

As an American citizen I have standing and it is my duty to say whether a war is stupid or worthwhile. It is you who don't realize why we went to those useless wars.


You do not speak for all vets. Do I need to link to some more vets, many of whom had much more combat than you allege who do not feel the way you do?

In fact a lot of them realize that they were fighting in a useless war, though they did try to do their best. I have talked to a number of non-political vets who were there and think we accomplished nothing.

It is the leaders, many of whom knew it was stupid but did not want to risk being unpopular and folks who uncritically accepted what Bush-Cheney and Fox fed them, that let them down.

 

oh treeman, you make it too easy

GOP Strategists Are Arranging Media Interviews To Attack Bowe Bergdahl


Republican strategists organized media interviews with members of his former platoon.

 

Yes, you will only honor the dead for wars that you think are worthwhile. You completely and utterly fail to understand that no matter what one thinks about the war itself, the service of those who died in its pursuance is honorable. Again, as a libtard cretin who has no understanding of the concept of honor - what it means, what it is, what it does - you have no place commenting on it.

You think we went there for oil. Well, we forgot to take the oil. How freaking stupid is that, eh?

You don't have a CLUE what went on there. You completely ignore anything said by anyone who WAS there. You believe what you want to believe. Objective reality has nothing to do with it.

As a US citizen you certainly have a right to make your opinions known, no matter how ridiculous they are. That does not mean that you have any STANDING to comment on matters of honor for those who served. Because YOU have not.

And you do not speak for *ANY* vets. I speak for at least one more than you ever will.

"Allege"? Are you calling me a liar? I expect that from Sam Fisher,as he is a full time troll who makes no pretense of engaging in any serious conversation, but from someone who is actually trying to tell me - in the same post, no less - that he understands honor... You've got some cojones on you, glynch.

I have no reason to lie - I couldn't care less what you think of me. There are many out there who did way more than I did. I in turn did more than some others. They are free to their opinions, but the VAST majority of them understand that even though they may have disagreed with the war, they can still honor their fallen brothers. YOU don't get that, but most of THEM do.

You're talking to one right now who thinks we accomplished very little because our current POTUS pulled us out prematurely from one and is about to do the same in the other. After he frees as many terrorists as he can, of course.

I can really only speak to Iraq because that is where I was. But it was always a gamble. It was an experiment. What would happen if you injected freedom into that region? I think it would have been nice had we been able to see the experiment through, but instead the rug was pulled out from under us, and everything fell apart after we left. There are quite a few people there who wanted us there, because they wanted to be free, and they understood that they couldn't do it without our help. I truly, truly feel sorry for those people. We abandoned them in 1991, and then we abandoned them again when they needed us the most. There are a LOT of good people over there -people who would have given their lives for the Americans who liberated them, people who DID give their lives for the Americans who liberated them (these people understood honor far better than the likes of you ever will) - but people like yourself can't see past your own d!ck and don't care, winning elections so you can cram your socialist policies down everyone's throats at home matters more.

And now where to we stand? Al Qaeda (ISIL, same as AQI now) now owns whole swaths of Iraq and Syria. That would not be the case had we stayed according to the desired timelines. But electoral politics was always more important than American victory or success for those who truly want freedom in that region - at least to one man and his party. So we pi$$ed away a war that was all but won, and we ceded the battlefield to the forces of extreme intolerance and ultraviolence. Now Iraq is in trouble, Syria is on fire, North Africa is ungovernable, Egypt is on the brink, the whole region is on the brink. This is what a Middle East without American leadership looks like. And it is going to get much, much worse before it gets better. None of this would have happened had we stayed the course in Iraq.

You mean like Hillary Clinton? Yeah, what a dumb **** she is.

A smart man knows when he's out of his lane, glynch. You are not a smart man.

 

Hmmm, I seem to have missed the part in there where the Republican strategists are inciting people to make death threats. Perhaps it's a reading fail on my part? Could you please point out the part about making death threats there for me?

Oh, wait, I see you were just taking things out of context, as usual.

 

They planted the seed in rightwing crazies just as much as Bundy planted the seed in those rightwing nut jobs in Nevada.

 

Come on people, this is getting really stupid, even by D&D standards. Exposing Bergdahl as a deserter wasn't a right wing conspiracy, it was originally just soldiers speaking out....just because some people decided to use the president's screw up for political reasons doesn't mean that was the reason behind exposing it to begin with.

 

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That was just one reason. Try the military industrial complex profits and somehow helping right wing visions of Israel. Also try Bush being stupid and thinking he could somehow outdo his daddy or some such.

You don't have a CLUE what went on there. You completely ignore anything said by anyone who WAS there.

You really should try to be a bit more nuanced and less rigid in your thought. You won't fall for propaganda so much.

Well I was believing you but you do seem to be so much more romantic about war, the military and Iraq than the vets I have met. More like someone who likes to see lots of war movies.

Interesting you signed up for an experiment. Hey, I think this sort of cool experiment thingee might have motivated your guy Dubya who by all accounts was bored with ordinary governing and loved being a war president and doing stunts like wearing a cod piece while doing his famous photo shoot on the bridge of the carrier i.e, "Mission Accomplished" caper.

Bush should have told the other volunteers and the American public at large before we spent a couple of trillion.

I guess you would have found it "nice" ?!?! to have spend another few trillion and have increased the fallen another ten thousand or so to see if the experiment eventually worked out?

More of the old right wing thing that we could have won in Vietnam if we just persisted. Maybe we would have won in another twenty years or something. Oh well. That would have been a "nice" experiment in your book, but not mine and thankfully not in the books of most Americans.

Thankfully the experiment you are so fond of in Afghanistan and Iraq appears to leading to some more Vietnam syndrome type fatigue which will serve the country well.

You can't see how you were fooled by the multi-generation prep school guy, Bush II on the purpose of the war, and his caring about little guy vets like you. You don't realize how it was partly to help electorally.

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Yeah, the Iraq War did cause this as Al Qaeda was not there before. Wake up.

Yeah and Kerry also , and some of the less ideological Repuplicans were smart enough to realize that Iraq had nothing to do with 911 and was not a wise thing to do. Most of the GOP pols were were like you so blinded by right wing propaganda ignoring all evidence for the lack of wmd that they might have actually believed in it.

 

truth

 

Cute cartoon.

 

This is how it goes. There is no rational debate here. It always devolves to this.

Understand that neither side is changing anyone's ideas. We are slinging poo at each other, that is all. Go into it with that mindset and you won't be disappointed.

And remember, the D&D microcosm is NOT representative of the real world. Everything here is heavily slanted.

 

Your best post in this thread.

 

Yes, quoting crazy is always a smooth move. Such irony in treeman's posts. He rails on like a lunatic calling people Commies, Marxists, Nazis, and then laments the lack of rational debate. Hilarious stuff.

 

Didn't Regan negotiate with terrorists?...
Besides, we've had these guys since 2002, there is nothing more we can do with them. We can't kill them because they can't be tried in a court of law due to their torture, and no other nation wants to touch these guys. So instead of spending tax payer's dollars on keeping them in Guantanamo, why not send them off to another country (where I'm sure we will keep tabs on every **** they take), and drone them like this regime has been so fond of doing? Or better yet, track them and let them lead you to a bigger group of fish. Is the most expensive military infrastructure in modern history not capable of this?

 

Drop them in the middle of an African plain with a compass and bottled water and call it orienteering.

 

***** man, when we let those guys go, I did not know they would go straight to the Karachi Airport. You guys called it, they were dangerous Talibans.

 

They've already moved on to Mosul.

These guys were even more dangerous than anyone realized.

 

Again, like in every thread in D&D: needs more "pathetic attempt" and also every post should end in "brah" or brahs" but under no circumstances should you say "bro" Completely unacceptable - it has to be "brah" or "brahs" Anything else is a pathetic attempt to troll. Try harder.

 

Oh boy:

Bergdahl Was Discharged from the Coast Guard for Psychological Reasons Before He Joined the Army

http://news.yahoo.com/bergdahl-discharged-coast-guard-psychological-reasons-joined-army-175000500.html

Some excerpts:

Friends of Bergdahl's said he was discharged after a few months in the Coast Guard, and as seen in letters and journals provided to The Washington Post, those troubles followed him to the Army. Bergdahl wrote of dark entries about Army life and his mental wellbeing. Three days before walking off his post, he wrote in a letter, "this life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising." The combination of psychological warning signs and evidence supporting allegations that Bergdahl deserted the Army means things just got even more complicated.

Bergdahl told his friends that he "faked" his psychological discharge to get out of the Coast Guard, and they couldn't believe that the Army let him in. “I was like, ‘Why and how did you even get in?’” Kim Harrison, a close friend of Bergdahl's, said to the Post. “‘How did they let you?’ I was furious.”

The Army wasn't being all to picky about that time in the war. They were getting desperate for fresh meat and had been lowering standards. Seems that always comes back to bite them in the a$$...