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Has Morey found a taker(s) for Jeremy Lin? (Speculation on possible deals)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by basketballholic, Jun 5, 2014.

  1. t0mdotcom

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    Yeah, I meant to say, acquiring #8 and use it as a trade asset. Kinda like the Kyle Lowry trade.
     
  2. dobro1229

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    You could speculate on a million different reasons and drive yourself crazy with trade scenarios and potential chess piece moves.

    Occam's razor would suggest that this Tweet went out yesterday most likely because well... either Woj talked to Fegan or he talked to Morey, or someone else entirely that told him the Rockets were planning on make Parsons a RFA for a multitude of reasons that they probably didn't share with Woj (or else he probably would have put more in the article/tweet).


    If you go in the war room in the offices of Toyota center there is probably a bulletin board with about 100 different variations of things that could potentially happen (and that's probably just related to the Parsons contract situation), and their connections with pros and cons & counter deals.

    Its fun to speculate on a slow Friday at work, but I'm just saying you can drive yourself crazy with the possibilities, and there is no telling what exactly is going to happen because I have little doubt that Morey doesn't even know what the hell is going to happen in the next few weeks, but I do think he's going to be prepared to jump on 1 of about 40 different scenarios if they come to fruition.
     
  3. ROXTXIA

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    In one post I think you mentioned how you had listed teams that might take Jeremy Lin or Omer Asik. However, when someone mentioned "I don't think a team would take both players" (probably due to the amount of money owed them both), you answered that a team doesn't have to take both players; one player can go to one team, the other can go to a different team.

    And that's how I think it would go with the 76ers. Even with a little cash incentive from the Rockets, $30,000,000 for Lin and Asik wouldn't fly.

    Even cash-rich teams like the Lakers or Nets or Knicks might balk (unless they wanted to get out from under a long-term contract, and we wouldn't want such a contract on our books, either).

    I could see Hinkie wanting Asik to keep, but if we lose Asik and a first, we better get back future draft considerations.

    But it would still leave us with the dilemma of a $15,000,000 backup point guard.
     
  4. finsraider

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    Two things regarding the OP:

    1) Melo will not pick up his option. That has no bearing on whether he's coming to Houston or staying in NY.

    2) Agree with other posters that you can't just assume the annoucement came from Morey. If Fegan knew this was going to happen, he would release it to Woj to begin building the market for Parsons. How would Fegan know? He's the most powerful agent in the NBA and the Howard commitment probably had some strings attached to it.....ie Parsons gets a new contract in 2014. I'd also say the immediate release regarding Parsons' "back issues" was not a coincidence.

    Still, the fact that it was Woj does make me think its more fact than fiction, regardless of who actually released it. I'd be shocked if we didnt go forward with making Parsons a RFA, but I was shocked Asik was still on this roster in mid-December.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    Oh and Isaiah Thomas is probably a better PG than Jeremy Lin with a brighter future & likely a better contract. Sacramento is probably going to get a bargain with his contract if they put him into RFA in this market with so many big names this year and so little starting PG positions open. I dont see any logical reason why at a very macro level they would have any interest in helping out the Rockets by taking back Lin in any deal. Especially when they are trying to compete with the likes of the Rockets and Celtics for key free agents/star trades.
     
  6. basketballholic

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    Thomas is a very good player ..... for his size. But he's not a long-term starting caliber point guard in this league. He's too small. Sacramento does not want him as a starting PG. They'd gladly take him as a plug off the bench for the right money.

    Sacramento wants a legit starting point guard. And Lin may be one of the best starting point guards they can acquire for basically nothing but dead salary. And that would in turn give them leverage with Thomas. Thomas wants a starting role and Sacramento doesn't want him as a starter. See the problem?
     
  7. basketballholic

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    While I think Melo most likely doesn't pick up his option I can see the possibility of him picking up his option. I don't think that's quite a done deal. Melo ideally wants to win championships and he'd like to be in NY or LA. It's not happening in NY so he's most likely going to force his way out. Phil will have done an incredible sales job if he gets Melo to opt in and stay or opt out and re-sign there long-term.

    The possibilities of Melo opting around and being traded are there however because Melo may decide to play out the current deal and then re-assess after next season...especially if Lebron and Co. all re-up for another go around. If those guys all re-up in Miami then Melo may not opt out and hope to reconvene his free agency in 2015 along with Lebron.


    The leak came from Morey even if Fegans is the one that gave it to Woj. Wake up man. Morey is the decision maker here. Only way that decision gets out is Morey lets it out. Woj isn't going to press with something that Fegans just makes up. Morey may have told Fegans and Fegans told Woj. Doesn't matter the trail it went through to Woj. What matters is the source. Morey is the source. And here's the kicker. The ONLY WAY Parsons gets paid this summer is if Morey can acquire that third superstar or at least have deals agreed to to acquire that third superstar signed on a long-term deal this summer. That means Melo or possibly Lebron or Bosh signed to a long-term deal. That's the only way Parsons makes it to restricted free agency this summer. Parsons won't get restricted free agency if there is not a 3rd superstar acquired and he won't get to restricted free agency if there is a superstar acquired with only 1 year left on his deal. So Morey and Fegans are mostly aligned here. Fegans undoubtedly wants to get a deal done and Morey wants to get his own deal done.


    If Morey goes through with restricting Parsons, it will be because there is already a deal done. The deal(s) will already be consumated before July 1 or they will be announced as done to be consumated after the July moratorium when the salaries change and/or draft picks signed, etc. etc. But it will be a done deal.

    Morey will not restrict Parsons and pay him this off season if he does not have a deal or deals in place to land a 3rd superstar or at a bare bones minimum land enough assets and expiring/non-guaranteed salary by moving out players and current assets that he knows he can generate a sign-and-trade next off season. And the second part is an extreme long shot.
     
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    Not sure why most of your scenarios have Asik and Lin traded to the same place. I kinda feel like the most realistic trades would be separate:

    Lin, our 1st round pick, and maybe D-mo to Philly for a protected second rounder.
    Asik to Charlotte for a future pick (they had interest before, and he could be a good complement to Jefferson, making a good defensive team even better).

    Then use cap space + promise of no state taxes to lure free agent.

    The only problem with this method is that the Rockets might be making it harder to trade for Kevin Love. Houston would have to be more aggressive in getting back first round draft picks for Lin, Asik and whoever else they trade, to add to the Love trade haul. Given that philly is in asset building mode I doubt that would be something they'd consider.

    My gut says we'll know which directions the rockets want to take on draft night.
     
  9. basketballholic

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    Most of my scenarios don't have Asik and Lin traded to the same place. I think it is most likely they go separate directions with the possible exception of a team like Philly.

    You're talking about Lin to Philly. Philly ain't interested in Lin. They perhaps MIGHT take Lin if we gave them Asik and a pile of other assets. Philly wants Asik without Lin ideally or POSSIBLY with Lin if they can get enough assets to build their team out.



    But good points. And we are working our ways towards what I think Morey will do to try to acquire Love.
     
  10. finsraider

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    I didn't say Fegan was the source, at least in the way you framed it. Of course Morey would be the ultimate decision maker, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wanted that public.....perhaps he had some reason for not putting it out there. Fegan though, knowing Morey's intensions and acting in the best interests of his client, told Woj for 2 reasons:

    1) To make sure Morey didn't back out of it. Could be some promise Morey made to Parsons during the Dwight recruitment.

    2) To begin developing a market for Parsons
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    I'm still pretty skeptical that Morey can really find takers for Asik and especially Lin early in the free agency process without taking salary back. If we don't take salary back, that means that either (1) some other team is using up a trade exception to take salary or (2) some other team is using up their cap space to take these players. On #1, I'm not aware of any big trade exceptions out there looking for someone to be spent upon. On #2, who is going to do that for Lin when there are better free agents available? Maybe they'll do that later in the summer after they struck out on those better free agents. But, not before they even have a chance. I really don't get why there's a chance of this happening. If Philly has so much cap space, why not spend it on Melo, or to leverage a giant trade for Love or Bosh or something instead of role-players like Asik and Lin?
     
  12. GoRox2013

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    The celebration of getting Dwight & Harden is over. He missed out on the trade deadline during this season, and he also missed out on upgrading a head coach by bringing back his puppet Mchale. He needs to get his azz off twitter and make some key moves that'll help this team. Bringing back Mchale is already a step backwards. If we come back with the same roster next year this offseason will be horrible. Morey needs to stop with the mind games
     
  13. khyberjones

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    What Morey seems to be looking at is trading Lin to a team that has the salary space under the cap to absorb the contract within the league's rules and to offer a draft pick and a smaller contract (like a D-Mo) in return. There are a lot of teams that could use him and a number of teams that are sufficiently under the cap (or could get under the cap) to get him.
     
  14. finsraider

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    Another consideration.......if we trade Lin + DMo + #25 to a team with cap space for nothing, doesn't that generate a TPE? I could see that coming in handy.
     
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    I do believe the Sixers rumor but I'm convinced the Sizers are wanting to get Exum plus whomever falls of Wiggins or Parker. Exum has superstar potential. Doesn't mean he'll be a superstar. But he's the kind of talent that a lottey team has to take a shot at if they can get him. I think Orlando understand this and if Exum is on the board at #4 I think Orlando gobbles him up and never looks back. If that happens, there is simply no motivation for Philly to go after #5.

    However.....if Philly throws caution to the wind and drafts Exum at #3 and then Orlando is staring at Wiggins or Smart THEN I think there may be the possibility of a trade to Orlando. Orlando can either take Smart as their pick if they really like him (I doubt it. Just not the right fit with Oladipo.) or they could take Wiggins and try to move him to the 3 (another mistake since Wiggins has ideal size for SG) or they could be staring at a mother lode trade from Philly with Philly giving them MCW, #10, #25 (from us) plus possibly another asset for #4 where Philly can then take Wiggins.

    Or if Philly takes Exum and Orlando passes on Wiggins for Smart then a trade could possibly unfold with Utah at #5 involving other pieces along with #10, #25, etc. that would allow Philly to land Wiggins at 5.


    This is why I listed Philly as a possible destination for both Asik and Lin together. And I think it's probably the only real scenario that I can think of right now where we could ship off Asik and Lin together.

    However that trade would essentially have to be a two-part trade with the picks exchanging hands on draft night and the actual players (Asik/Lin/Jones/DMo) being traded after the moratorium when Philly has the cap space to take them in.

    The deal would essentially be Asik/Lin/#25/whatever other assets to Philly for cap space. Philly would need #25 and perhaps DMo and/or Jones to snag the pick they are likely trying to get so they can draft both Wiggins and Exum.

    or

    The deal could be announced on draft day with a future consummation date after the July moratorium. This would require everybody to draft the players the other team needed and hold them for 30 days after signing them to complete the trade. And this is also a possibility that would give Morey maximum flexibility to morph the trade into something even better.
     
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    Generates 2 separate TPE's in the amounts of $8.374 million and $1.4 something million.
     
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    You must be a New York Yankee fan. (What have you done for us in the last 10 minutes? Booooooooooooooooooo.)
     
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    There are several team that will gladly take Asik into their cap space (or exception) for nothing or possibly for a decent draft pick.

    Lin is the player that we will have to send out assets with to get a team to take on....unless we find an ideal situation.

    I listed Sacramento first in my possible list of destinations for Lin. I think that is a distinct possibility.
     
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    If Morey did not want that public.....it would not be public fins. He would have simply not told a single soul. Not Fegans. Not anybody in the front office. Nobody. But Morey did tell it. Because he wanted it to be public. Morey is not stupid enough to intentionally give an agent leverage. There's no way around it. Morey leaked it and he leaked it for a reason. It's all a part of the game.
     
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    That is one possibility for Lin.


    The other possibility for Lin is to trade him for a player that can more easily be combined with Asik and moved away. That's why I brought up Derrick Williams. Ending contract. A little over $6 million instead of $15 million. It'll be much easier to move a guy like Derrick Williams out with Asik than it will be to move Lin out with Asik.


    Here's another scenario.

    Let's say Morey knows that he can move Lin for Ersan Ilyasova. Ilyasova makes $7.9 million a season but he's owed for 2 more seasons plus a $400,000 buyout in 2016 ($16.2 million total). Milwaukee, not really having a place for Ilyasova any longer and needing a point guard could trade Ilyasova for Lin straight up.

    Once again, Ilyasova is more likely to be moved with Asik to a different team for nothing. OR....Ilyasova could be a piece to trade for Love or Melo directly. Specifically Love. Rubio needs shooters around him big time as Minnesota becomes Rubio-centric with the departure of Love.

    On the other hand if we are stuck with Ilyasova and can't move him...he is serviceable for a season...and if we want to play in 2015 free agency we can either use his salary outgoing to generate a trade or we could, under the worst circumstances waive him and spread his cap hit over 3 seasons and still create max space.

    Now...Lin for Ilyasova is not something that Morey would likely do before July 1 UNLESS he had a team willing to take Ilyasova off our hands. But after July 1....if we can't get our 3rd superstar....then this is a real possibility.
     

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