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American POW freed in prisoner swap. And the GOP doesn't like it.....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr.Scarface, May 31, 2014.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    First hand accounts aren't "opinion".
    Desertion in a war zone IS treason, which is why it's punishable by death.

    "The other team" is simply the Obama administration and his lackeys....that's one "team" and literally everyone else, is on the other "team". In fact, the fact that you even see it as "teams" says a lot about you.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm sure the Taliban think he is a hero, his desertion aided them greatly.
     
  3. SunsRocketsfan

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    I've been trying to give Obama credit where credit is due. I know he means well but this is an absolute failure on his part. Even his own party and supporters are questioning his decision this time. I guess the US does negotiate with terrorists.
     
  4. Air Langhi

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    If obama had just left the guy there wouldn't the GOP attack him anyway. I think its good that this guy got out. Releasing 5 Taliban isn't going to change much in the great scheme of things. The whole Afghanistan war was waste of time.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    Why would they "attack him" for doing something that almost everyone was against to begin with? Democrats were against it, Republicans were against it, people in between were against it. McCain might have said something about it because he was a POW and he has a biased view on it, but no one else would have or rather it wouldn't be "Why didn't you trade 5 Taliban leaders for a deserter?" no matter what.

    That defense is completely out of touch with reality.
     
  6. treeman

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    So, predictably, this thread has gone completely off the rails as the lunatic left strains to defend an indefensible decision. I know it's pointless, but here's another dose of reality to inject into the discussion:

    Taliban Commander: More Kidnappings to Come After Bergdahl Deal

    A Taliban commander close to the negotiations over the release of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl told TIME Thursday that the deal made to secure Bergdahl’s release has made it more appealing for fighters to capture American soldiers and other high-value targets.

    “It’s better to kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people,” the commander said, speaking by telephone on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media. “It has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird.”

    The commander has been known to TIME for several years and has consistently supplied reliable information about Bergdahl’s captivity.


    Full Story:

    http://time.com/2826442/taliban-kidnappings-bergdahl/

    So, don't believe us righties, take it from the horse's mouth. Ah, who am I kidding, you'll just dismiss this Taliban commander as another right wingnut, right?
     
  7. larsv8

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    Nice!

    Less lives lost.

    This is huge, great find.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Heh, keep the spin going, I'm sure someone will buy the BS you're selling eventually.
     
  9. Surfguy

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    Regardless of what these Taliban pukes say, they will always kidnap any one at any time they get the opportunity. The idea that they will now focus on more kidnappings like they weren't before is bull crap. They have always focused on it. They just haven't been very successful at it when it comes to kidnapping soldiers.

    Now, whether this American soldier needs to be put on trial when he gets back for desertion or whatever, it is coming across that he did desert or else he would have never been kidnapped. So, he may exchange one place in captivity for another...a nice, clean jail cell over here in a military prison.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm sure they never thought they could get so much for one lowly private though, at that a private that was a deserter. If you are the Taliban you have to be absolutely licking your chops about what you might get for a loyal soldier that matters. If you can get 5 top guys for a deserter, you might get a nuke for a CSM....maybe a hand full of flyover states for a Colonel. On top of that, it'll be a lot easier now that troop levels are about to fall off a cliff. If you are Taliban, you have to be ecstatic right now.
     
  11. ipaman

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    of course the right will blame the left feverishly ad nauseam, even raising impeachment. didn't see that coming :rolleyes:

    and the left will deflect (but there's bigger problems) and again remind everyone that all the things bush did were way worse. we should ignore their garbage and **** so long as it doesn't stink "as bad" as the other guys. uh okay...

    Anyway that's why I roll IND and not REP or DEM. To clarify, IND as in Indifferent not Independent.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    That's just it, this screw up wasn't a "right" or "left" kind of thing. It was 100% on the administration that cut everyone else out of the process. There is no "left" to blame, they were ignored just like the "right" and everyone else.

    When I say this isn't partisan, that's why. It has nothing to do with one party of the other because both were against it. The right can't bash the left because it wasn't their fault that the president chose to ignore everyone and do this in an illegal and unilateral fashion. They are pissed off about it too.
     
  13. treeman

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    Brain damage is a serious affliction, you should have it checked out. Less lives lost by releasing more terrorists? Makes perfect sense! :rolleyes:
     
  14. treeman

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    Note what they used to do with American POWs in Iraq. They tortured and mutilated them, cut them into pieces, and laces the body parts with booby traps and IEDs. That was the standard jihadi tactic.

    Now they know how valuable an American POW is. You can trade a private for a general. Though it might be fun for them to saw his head off with a rusty knife and send the video to his parents, now they will restrain themselves and help Obama empty out Gitmo the easy way.
     
  15. treeman

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    More from the real world (shield your eyes liberals!):

    Behind the Scenes of Bowe Bergdahl’s Release

    Asked whether the Taliban would be inspired by the exchange to kidnap others, a commander laughed. “Definitely."

    In the days and hours leading up to the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl last week, his Taliban captors in Pakistan prepared for a big sendoff. Those selected to physically hand Bergdahl over to U.S. officials at a pre-arranged location on the other side of the border in Afghanistan rehearsed the messages they wanted to convey to the American people. A videographer was assigned to cover the event, for propaganda purposes. And those closest to Bergdahl commissioned a local tailor to make him a set of the local tunic and trousers in white, which, given as a gift, denotes a gesture of respect.

    “You know we are also human beings and have hearts in our bodies,” a senior Taliban commander affiliated with the Haqqani network, which was holding Bergdahl captive, tells TIME. “We are fighting a war against each other, in which [the Americans] kill us and we kill them. But we did whatever we could to make [Bergdahl] happy.”

    The commander, who has been known to TIME for several years and has consistently supplied reliable information about Bergdahl’s captivity, is not authorized by his superiors to speak to the media, so he has asked not to be identified by name. The commander spoke to TIME by telephone from an undisclosed location in Afghanistan.

    Bergdahl, who was the only known remaining U.S. prisoner of war from the long conflict in Afghanistan, had learned basic Pashto during his incarceration, and had made several friends among his Taliban captors, according to the commander. The tunic set, along with the woven scarf that can also be worn as a turban, but is draped across Bergdahl’s shoulders in the Taliban video documenting his release, was a parting gift designed to demonstrate no personal ill will, says the commander: “We wanted him to return home with good memories.”


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    http://time.com/2826534/bowe-bergdahl-taliban-captors/
     
  16. treeman

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    Oh, some more relevant excerpts from the above linked story:

    It is not entirely clear what made the negotiations more successful this time around, other than the sense of urgency triggered by Bergdahl’s apparent declining health and U.S. plans to significantly reduce military troop numbers in Afghanistan over the next couple years. For the Taliban, it doesn’t matter. They see the exchange as an unmitigated victory. “Our talks finally proved successful for the prisoners’ swap,” says the commander. “We returned our valued guest to his people and in return, they freed our five heroes held in Guantanamo Bay since 2002.”

    Another senior Taliban commander who is close to the senior Taliban leadership based in Kandahar, Afghanistan and Quetta, Pakistan, and is close to the negotiations, describes scenes of intense jubilation among the Taliban leadership and their supporters. Candies and sweet pastries are being passed around, he says, speaking to TIME via telephone from the Kandahar area. Those close to the leadership and the detainees are feasting on “whole goats cooked in rice”—a special meal usually reserved for celebrations. “I cannot explain how our people are happy and excited over this unbelievable achievement.” (He too has been known to TIME for several years). “This is a historic moment for us. Today our enemy for the first time officially recognized our status.”]/b]


    Yes, victory indeed. :rolleyes:
     
  17. larsv8

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    Sorry, I don't live in your fantasy land where the terrorists are primed to take over the world.

    I don't believe in the suspension of due process and holding prisoners at Gitmo indefinitely.

    If these "terrorist" committed terrorism, they should be tried in a court of law and punished accordingly. If not, they should be freed.

    I fear my government FAR more than any terrorist.

    But whatever, keep on with your clown show.
     
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    We're just buttering up the Taliban so we can use them for our next state funded "revolution" in the region.
     
  19. mtbrays

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    This thread is an RSS feed of bile.
     
  20. mc mark

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    Interesting

    I only see your kind in here b****ing and bringing the thread to 40 pages of poutrage.
     

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