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American POW freed in prisoner swap. And the GOP doesn't like it.....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr.Scarface, May 31, 2014.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Maybe he did actually feel that way but if so that was a very naive and stupid way to act on those feelings and one that put him, his company and also a lot of Afghans at risk.

    If he really felt that way he should've applied for conscientious objector status or finished his tour and joined a group like Veterans against War.

    I don't know if Bergdahl is a traitor, I highly doubt it based on what limited info is out there, but I think there is enough to say in the words of Hank Hill, that boy just aint right..
     
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  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    You're the one who is deluded. Keep smoking that Fox pole, they'll tell you exactly what to think.

    Don't know, don't care. However, the only "speculation" around here are the people speculating that the guy is a traitor. Innocent until proven guilty, b!tch.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Agreed. Repped.
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    And it will be even better when we get them ALL back home. Good luck and good fortune to all who are currently deployed.
     
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  6. rocketsjudoka

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    It wasn't a high risk operation. The initial story of US special forces battling Saddam Fedeyan to rescue PFC Lynch has long been debunked. US forces pretty much just showed up at the hospital with no resistance, which they already knew would be the case and the Iraqis handed her over.

    I'm not saying I agree with this decision. As I said it seems half-baked. but I think you are discounting the idea that if Bergdahl had been a model soldier they would've gone all out to save him. Every decision has to be weighed with the risks and even from your own links it sounds like the military felt there were less risky ways of getting him.
     
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    Do you need an Obama phone? Because you are out of touch.
     
  10. GladiatoRowdy

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    I'm firmly rooted in reality, a place you apparently haven't seen in years.
     
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    there's no such thing as an Obama phone.
     
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    That's true, but the level of risk wasn't why they launched the op. They'd have done the same for pretty much any non-deserter even if it was a fairly high risk op. The ONLY reason they didn't go after this kid was because they knew he was a deserter. Aside from the Obama defense squad on this thread, pretty much everyone realizes he was a deserter.

    I really do think they'd have gone after him if he was a "model soldier" or even if he didn't desert his unit. 5 Taliban leaders are more valuable than potentially losing a few men on an op because it cost a lot more to secure them than just a few men.....and their release will probably lead to several more casualties. Those things factor in to the analysis, trust me. If it was up to them, there's no way the military would have chosen to do the trade. There's no way the Senate Intelligence Committee would have agreed to it which is why they got cut out of the process.
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    I fixed that for you.
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    Thus my comment about him being divorced from reality.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    Yes, they assume it based on the overwhelming evidence showing it. Democrats believe it, Republicans believe it, the military believes it. Pretty much the only people who don't are people like you.
     
  16. tallanvor

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    I find it very odd that whether or not they view Bergdahl as a deserter has nothing to do with the evidence, but whether a bunch of strangers find the evidence compelling enough to convict. It only matters what other strangers think for our legal system not for your own opinion.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Yeah the "there hasn't been a trial yet so no one is allowed to have an opinion on the issue" arguments are just weird.
     
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    Presenting opinion as fact is the sticking point.

    There's a lot of "Bergdahl IS a traitor," rather than "I believe he is a traitor" or "Bergdahl may be a traitor," or even "there is strong evidence that suggests Bergdahl is a traitor."

    Substitute "traitor" with "hero" or "POW" and you have the other team's arguments.
     
  19. tallanvor

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    what credible witness to the event has said 'I believe he is a hero'?
     
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    This situation is going to seriously hurt Obama's re-election chances...
     

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