American POW freed in prisoner swap. And the GOP doesn't like it.....

Wow. Just wow. You are making bigtexxx look like a Socialist.

 

Heh, I was thinking there wouldn't be any way we could screw this up worse, but that is certainly one way. You are suggesting that we take a dump on the sovereignty of Qatar by essentially murdering prisoners in their control within their borders.....I think you watch too many movies.

 

Of course I don't know all of the facts, DoD's investigation is highly classified and I don't have a security clearance anymore. But I have heard enough.

Not gonna happen. They will spend the year in Qatar and then disappear in Pakistan. Bet on it.

 

Revealed: Search For Bowe Bergdahl Left Troops Unprotected During Infamous Afghan Battle That Left 8 U.S. Soldiers Dead And 22 Wounded…

Via Daily Mail:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nded-produced-two-Medal-Honor-recipients.html

The Battle of Kamdesh, one of the most deadly military engagements during the U.S. war in Afghanistan, turned especially bloody – leaving eight Americans dead and 22 wounded – because troops and aircraft normally tasked to support U.S. fighting men and woman were diverted to search for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

The Oct. 3, 2009 battle at Combat Outpost Keating, near the town of Kamdesh in Nuristan province, lasted more than 12 hours and earned two Army staff sergeants the Medal of Honor, the highest award for bravery the Pentagon can bestow on a warrior.

But multiple sources including a well-placed Pentagon official told MailOnline that the bloodshed was far worse than it needed to be, and blamed the months-long shuffling of American military resources all across the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region after Bergdahl walked away from his post on June 30 of that year.

‘The COP Keating battle was so deadly because ISAF numbers were so low,’ a Pentagon official said, referring to the International Security Assistance Force, the generic term for the U.S.-led coalition fighters that included small numbers of soldiers from Afghanistan, Latvia and other nations.

‘And that was because so many U.S. troops were off searching for Bergdahl.’

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to comment publicly.

An internal Pentagon report released in 2010 found that air support was late to arrive at the battle, and no ‘quick reaction force’ showed up for 13 hours.

 

Say Dickard, are you going to comment on the topic at hand, or are you so fixated on my conduct that you are unable to focus? This is the thread about the Bergdahl swap, not the "What is going on in treeman's head" thread.

 

Groan: Hillary Clinton Was Against Bergdahl Deal With The Taliban Before She Was For It…

Via Daily Beast:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...n-was-skeptical-of-taliban-bergdahl-swap.html

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was personally and intensely involved in the debate over swapping five Taliban commanders for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in 2011 and 2012. But she had severe reservations about the potential deal, and was demanding stricter conditions for the release of the prisoners than what President Obama settled for last week.

Despite that the White House’s claim this week that the United States did not negotiate “directly” with the Taliban to secure the Bergdahl swap, the State Department, Defense Department, and White House officials did meet several times with Taliban leaders in 2011 and 2012 to discuss the deal. The negotiations, held in in Munich and Doha, fell apart in early 2012. But before they did, Clinton had a framework deal drawn up that was much tougher on the Taliban than what ultimately got done two years later.

Three former administration officials who were involved in the process told The Daily Beast that Clinton was worried about the ability to enforce the deal and disinclined to trust the Taliban or the Haqqani network in Pakistan, which held Bergdahl until this weekend. Clinton was so concerned, the former officials added, that she may not have even signed off if the negotiations had succeeded.

“She was heavily involved from the beginning, she was very skeptical of the arrangement, she was very wary of it,” one former administration official said. “If we had come to some agreement she perhaps would have backed it, but we never got to that point.”

Clinton was not the only top member of the Obama administration skeptical of the deal. Three U.S. intelligence officials told The Daily Beast on Monday that James Clapper, the director of National Intelligence, flat out rejected the release of the five detainees, saying there was too high a risk these Taliban commanders would return to the battlefield and orchestrate attacks against Americans. Then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, declined to certify that the United States could mitigate the risk of releasing the Taliban commanders.

Other officials weren’t so sure and said the American negotiators knew the deal had to be iron clad because convincing Clinton to support it would be a challenge.

“She was felt that the Haqqani network were really bad guys,” Congressman Jim Moran told The Daily Beast. “She was reluctant to enter into negotiations with them.”

 

Soldier Who Served with Bergdahl: All He Did Was ‘Get Real Heroes Killed’

Appearing on MSNBC on Tuesday, Retired U.S. Army Pfc. Jose Baggett, a soldier who served with captured Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, scolded those who are calling the freed Taliban prisoner a “hero.” Baggett said that Bergdahl apparently deserted his post, and that one of his most significant contributions to the American mission in Afghanistan was to “get real heroes killed.”

“There were three general orders that we have, and one of them is that I will not leave my post until properly relieved,” Baggett said. “And he obviously did that purposefully and walked off into the night.”

Full Story:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/solider-who-served-with-bergdahl-all-he-did-was-get-real-heroes-killed/

 

Exclusive: The story you haven’t yet heard about Bowe Bergdahl’s desertion

...With that near-disaster over, the soldier recounted: “We averaged 18-22 kilometers a day on foot, clearing house to house, room to room looking for PFC Bergdahl…We even went as far as rappelling down wells and crawling through tunnels to look for him.” The standard procedure for re-capturing PFC Bergdahl was not “normal,” the soldier noted. “He was very good with knives, and trained to throw and fight hand-to-hand with knives. We did not know the mental state of PFC Bergdahl at the time. All we knew was he left on his own, he caused us lots of hardship, and if we entered a room and saw him we would put him down because he could attack us.”

Full Story:

http://michellemalkin.com/2014/06/03/exclusive-the-story-you-havent-yet-heard-about-bowe-bergdahls-desertion/

 

Pakistan? OBL?

 

He wasn't a prisoner in custody and he was an extraordinary exception. You you don't go around murdering prisoners that are in custody of a foreign country

 

You do if they don't abide by the rules that were set...like reuniting with the taliban.

 

Pakistan is most definitely *NOT* in the same league as Qatar. (We've already hashed this out earlier today, BTW...). There will be no drone strikes in Qatar. Qatar will not allow us to harm the 5 while they are within their borders - I guarantee you that the Taliban got an assurance on that. Qatar is a rich, relatively civilized emirate that is a close ally of the US; we have several large bases there. American troops roam the country freely when off duty. If we started throwing Hellfires around there that relationship would sour really fast. It is *NOT* going to happen.

Pakistan on the other hand is effectively a failed state. Large swathes of it are effectively ungoverned. Waziristan is the epitome of the wild-west. These guys will do their year in Qatar, and use that time to re-establish their contacts and networks. And then they will go to Pakistan, and once there they can easily disappear and move freely back and forth across the Afghan-Pak border.

You cite OBL as evidence that we can easily take them out once they get there. How many years did that take? And where is Ayman al-Zawahiri right now? Once they hit the ground there they WILL disappear. Sure, we'll try and find them and kill them. But it isn't easy, and the odds are they will get back into the swing of things and be killing people again before the Hellfire with their name on it catches up to them.

 

Do you seriously expect anyone with a fully functioning mind to take you at all seriously after reading this madness? With all respect due, of course.


From the "New World" of treeman:

"Look, I will freely admit to trolling you guys sometimes... "

"This is what happens when you let left-wing whackos have children."

"I try to be nice but generally pretty quickly remember that most of the people I'm arguing with are worthless leftist douchebags who deserve no respect. Why bother trying to be nice and respectful when talking to people who accuse me of lying about my service, wanting to leave POWs to the Taliban, and such?"

"LOL, I haven't really changed at all, I simply don't pretend to have respect for people I don't respect anymore. I've always been pretty direct and to the point. And I have little patience for idiots, too. But I've always been that way."

"For what it's worth, I see people like yourself as a nearly equal threat, because if you had your way people like me would end up in re-education camps at some point. But the islamofascists are the more immediate threat, so they get the attention for now."

No, you misunderstand conservatives. We simply want to beat you in elections. Rounding people up and killing people en mass is generally a leftist tactic."

"What, that rounding people up and killing them en mass tends to be a leftist tactic? Almost every mass murdering regime over the past 100 years has been leftist in nature, from the Bolsheviks to the Nazis to Mao's Chicoms to Pol Pot and the North Vietnamese... Yeah, it's certainly the preferred leftist tactic for dealing with political enemies. You'd have to ignore a lot of history to not get that."

"Are you denying that if leftists had their way that I wouldn't be in a re-education camp? That all of my firearms wouldn't be taken away? That I wouldn't be declared an enemy of the state? You just had a leftist state that he fears me more than the Taliban - a group of people who explicitly state that they want him dead.

Leftists call themselves many things but in the end they are all the same: authoritarians who brook no disagreement. It always ends the same."

"Oh come on, I am sure a re-education camp could straighten me out. Never give up, anyone's brain can be washed if you try hard enough, right Winston?"

"Say Dickard, are you going to comment on the topic at hand, or are you so fixated on my conduct that you are unable to focus? This is the thread about the Bergdahl swap, not the "What is going on in treeman's head" thread."

 

Obama acted on OBL as soon as he had credible evidence of where he was. I think it was the previous administration that was more concerned with old enemies and oil.

I also didn't say they would be killed in Qatar...I said they would wait until they defected from what they were told to do. It could be next week or years from now....I find it hard to believe these prisoners were blindly released and the US will not know where they are and will be.

 

The US has no way of doing that legally. They gave them up and they can't touch them while they're in Qatar. Maybe they hope to capture them once they return to their leadership roles in the Taliban government, but since the US is planning on tucking tail and running away it is very unlikely that they'd be able to do that.

I get it, the move was so incredibly stupid it's only natural to try and find some kind of way that it would possibly make sense, but it just doesn't. No one agreed with this move so the administration decided to break the law they signed and do it without permission behind everyone's backs. Don't kill yourself trying to make sense of a senseless act of foolishness. I don't doubt that he had good intentions, but it was a really really dumb move.

 

LOL, I am actually getting a kick out of your obsession. Virtually every single thread I post in in D&D you show up at some point with your sob story about being my champion while I was away, as if I owe you something.

Get this through your thick skull: I don't owe you jack. The fact that you obsess about this tells me that you are the one who needs therapy.

We are trying to discuss the topic at hand here. Do you have any input regarding the Bergdahl swap? If not you are going to have to join all of the other deranged libtards on my red-line list, because you're starting to become a distraction. I've kept you off until now because I think unlike many of your ideological bretheren your heart is in the right place, even if your mind is not, but I am not going to waste any more time endulging your "Why isn't treeman nice to me" obsession.

 

And it too nearly a decade to get that actionable information. Do you not see the problem here?

I also didn't say they would be killed in Qatar...I said they would wait until they defected from what they were told to do. It could be next week or years from now....I find it hard to believe these prisoners were blindly released and the US will not know where they are and will be.[/QUOTE]

We will know their whereabouts while they are in Qatar. We will watch their every move, listen to every phone call, bug every room they set foot in, read every email, track every IP address they hit... While they are in Qatar. Once the year is up and they move that ability to track them diminishes, and once they hit Pakistani soil it disappears. The ISI will almost certainly facilitate their travel through Pakistan until they get to Waziristan, and from there they are home free and lost in the brush.

The real world doesn't work like the movies. This stuff is very hard and very complicated in real life.

 

Felixthecat:

Please go watch this video and then tell me if you think they are going to get droned in Qatar.

Released Taliban to Live in Luxurious Qatar, Then Head Home

Official: Guantanamo detainees traded for Bowe Bergdahl not 'prisoners' in Middle Eastern oasis.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/released-taliban-live-luxurious-qatar-head-home-23982614

They are free, they are safe, and they are heading back to the fight a year from now.

 

We will know their whereabouts while they are in Qatar. We will watch their every move, listen to every phone call, bug every room they set foot in, read every email, track every IP address they hit... While they are in Qatar. Once the year is up and they move that ability to track them diminishes, and once they hit Pakistani soil it disappears. The ISI will almost certainly facilitate their travel through Pakistan until they get to Waziristan, and from there they are home free and lost in the brush.

The real world doesn't work like the movies. This stuff is very hard and very complicated in real life.[/QUOTE]

I guess we will just have to wait and see.

 

We will hear about them again.