Hakeem ranked lower than Shaq,Wilt, Russell and Kareem

This is actually the main reason I fully support LBJ going to the Heat and leaving his sucky ass team behind. Loyalty isn't rewarded in the NBA, no matter how good you are (ie Hakeem), if you don't have a good GM your legacy will always be treated behind other stars. In this case Hakeem had the misfortune of playing with a player injured before he realized his amazing potential, and a backcourt that got busted for coke. It wasn't his fault, he was amazing from the moment he stepped onto the NBA court but because his team sucked some people automatically put guys like Shaq and Russell ahead of him.

If LBJ had stayed in Cleveland he still wouldn't have won a ring by now, maybe he'll get 1 or 2 just like Hakeem before he retires but I doubt people will say he's better than even Kobe.

 

PG: Magic
SG: Jordan
SF: Me
PF: My Sister
C: Hakeem

More than enough.

 

I had the same exact lineup.

 

Wilt is far and away the highest on the the all time lists of field goals attempted. No one in history has had that kind of green light to shoot that much, because it can hurt your team play by not getting your teammates involved. Many have said Wilt hurt his team's overall shooting by not sharing the ball earlier in his career.

He're the FGA all time list, scored more because he was allowed to shoot more.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fga_season.html

Here's something called the "Ewing Theory" on how a star who takes all the shots can hurt overall offense.
http://gravityandlevity.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/braesss-paradox-and-the-ewing-theory/

I disagree.

Wilt played with at least two all stars almost his whole career and had HOF coaching at times.

Supporting Casts:

Wilt
59-60 to 61-62 - P. Arizin HOF, T. Gola HOF
62-63 to 64-65 - T. Meschery, G. Rodger HOF, N. Thurmond HOF
64-65 to 67-68 - H. Greer HOF, C. Walker HOF (B. Cunningham HOF), L. Jackson, L. Costello
68-69 to 73-73 - J. West HOF, E. Baylor HOF, G. Goodrich HOF
HOF Coaches: A. Hannum x4, B. Sharman x2

Total: 13 years with 1+ All Star (10 HOF), 10 w/ 2 All Stars, 1 w/ 3 All Stars, 6 years HOF coach

Hakeem

84-85 to 86-87 - R. Sampson HOF
91-92 - O. Thorpe
94-95 to 97-98 - C. Drexler HOF
96-97 - C. Barkley HOF
01-02 - V. Carter (probable HOF)
HOF Coaches: 0

Total: 8 years with 1+ All Star (4 HOF), 1 year w/ 2 All Stars, 0 HOF coach

Wilt's wasn't as dominate as Hakeem in the playoffs. Against the best defenses and players of their own era.

Hakeem was better scorer and more efficient under pressure and with tougher competition. Hakeem has better scoring, shooting and TS% in the playoffs than Wilt Chamberlain (even with his inflated pace and other things). Imo Hakeem is the GOAT center.


Wilt Chamberlain Playoff Scoring:



Hakeem Playoffs Scoring:



Wilt Playoff TS% and ASt%:

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Hakeem Playoff TS% and AST&:

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http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html

 

Why don't people understand this?

 

Shaq was better than Hakeem. That is in no way an insult to the Dream. 00-03 Shaq was just better.

 

I think Hakeem is better all-around

 

I forgot to add, as an OP just said above, Wilt was a ridiculously bad payoff choker. Russell owned him mentally. Definitely not physically but mentally. He shot below 40% in several playoff series. Crucial playoff series.

 

What a terrible list especially the PF list.

Frazier
Jordan
Lebron
Duncan
Hakeem

15 peat.

 

Dirk is a way better offensive player than Malone in the playoffs and he isn't a great defensive player. Merely a good one. He is no defensive anchor. KG is clearly many times better than him defensively.

Did you see Malone play? You know the guy who regularly underperformed in the playoffs and was a playoff no show. He was a worse playoff performer than D Rob and KG. At least D Rob and KG were great defensive anchors in the playoffs. Malone scored on terrible efficiency. Huge dropoff.

 

So finally somebody decided to notice that help-side defence is actually useful, and that makes him the GOAT, even though he is just not good on the offensive side of the court? If you compare the PPP of those Boston defences vs. today, they would appear very mediocre.

But you are right, those quotes really convinced me... (sarcasm).

Bill's team always win, the team with how many HOFers? Still, give him the 1994 Rockets supporting cast, and they would not come close to winning a championship with his terrible offensive game.

Because... um... 1995 finals? And his ft percentages are awful. Kinda hard to be the most effective offensive player if you are a liability in the clutch because of the lack of making free-throws (offensive ability).

 

magic
jordan
pippen
kg
hakeem

the problem with this game is that hakeem, pippen, and kg in their primes can defend and score against everyone on top of them at their position.

the only clear difference makers are magic, jordan, and lebron are a step better than everyone below them. no one else is worth the money.

 

stockton
jordan
bird
duncan
olajuwon

 

would you rather have Mchale as your PF for $5 or your coach for $1?

 

Well he shot 60% from the field, RARELY turned the ball over and averaged close to 4 assists a game. On top of being the monster he was on the glass.


Shaq was so great he didn't even have the team involved with "clutch" situations in his prime.

 

Rarely turned the ball over? He had a 18.5% turnover percentage, compared to 8% from Hakeem.

Watch the series again, and you will notice that Shaq had some garbage points, similar to what Paul George had in the game last night. In addition, Hakeem had to divert a lot of attention to Penny Hardaway, who was abusing the post against the shorter Houston guards. This, plus the weakness of having Robert Horry responsible for the rebound when Hakeem goes for the shot-block. In comparison, Horace Grant was responsible when Shaq would contest, and he was a much better rebounder than Horry. If you didn't notice, this was a problem with the Rockets the past year because Tjones could not rebound well when Dwight went to contest a shot.

In addition, let's look past the box score, and focus on Shaq's lack of mobility on the PnR's, and rotations.

Did Shaq put up a fight? Yes, and he did get numbers. However, context is important, and it should also be noticed that Shaq had a more talented supporting cast and was swept. Wonder why?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOBX9ikNzEk

you gotta take a look at this clip. at least the first 5 mins. Funny how everybody underestimate wilt.

anyway here goes the 5;

stockton
jordan
bird
garnett
chamberlain

chamberlain and jordan are no question. Garnett is great value. Its all about stockton & bird or magic & pippen and i dont like pippen's game that much.

ps: lebron over bird is the biggest mistake in the game. it took 10 years and 3 superstars for lebron to grow a pair of balls while bird was always a competitor.

 

Malone was merely a good defensive player? 3 times NBA All-Defensive first team and one NBA All-Defensive second team and he wasn't a great defensive player?

Defense isn't judged by shot blocking alone. Even in shot blocking Garnett only averaged 0.7 more blocked shots per game than Malone.

Even if what you were saying were true. The difference between Malone and Dirk on the defensive end is greater than any advantage Dirk may have on the offensive end. With Garnett, the difference between Malone and Garnett on the offensive end is greater than any advantage Garnett may have had on the defensive end. All three are great PFs but Malone is the only one that is elite on both sides of the ball.

 

Magic
Jordan
Pippen
Duncan
Dream

Magic, Jordan, and Duncan are by far the best at their positions. Hakeem is as good as anyone at his. The only one leaving something on the table is Pippen but that starting 5 needs a defensive/5th wheel guy more than they need Kevin Durant.

I don't see a better possible lineup based on those point values.

 

LOL, oh you're talking about 95'? LOL duh Hakeem was better back then. Baby Shaq and his lack of defense stands no chance. But Shaq in 00-03 is better.