Dude kills 7 - leaves retribution video on Youtube

I have seen a lot made about the women he killed etc
Folx are rather dismissive of the guys he killed.

Rocket River

 

Kids these days don't earn it. That's why we are always a step below our parents with the work ethic. I fight with my wife cause she doesn't want my son to do chores. Myself was raised to be a spoiled brat without much money. I grew up real fast when I my son was born and I was 17 plus 9 years at a warehouse.

 

This is like the 3rd time I've seen this posted after a mass shooting.

It's becoming a meme at this point, how sad a world we live in.

 

Rocket river - the difference is young black men glorify this culture. it is everything rap is about, guns, glory, fast money. proving your a man to your peers by using guns and violence. so those thoughts are cultivated in their mind irrespective of their mental state.

this guy had mental issues from the beginning and was unable to connect with other humans because of it. tough to place blame on the parents or cops. i think the whole girl thing is a lie, he embellished it to give his pointless life a theme as he had no real life experience and probably only lusted after the "prom queen". society will always have it's loonies, but how do they continuously have access to firearms? especially the younger kids. this coming from a gunowner.

 

IMO, we need to look closer at the "treatment" he received.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/What_are_the_real_risks_of_antidepressants.htm

What are the real risks of antidepressants?
Drug makers have been instructed to add warnings about the most serious dangers, particularly the risk of suicide.

 

The thing with antidepressants......this is where the "practice" of medicine is ultimately displayed. The reality is that not one medication is going to work the same from one individual to another, if at all. All psychiatric patients will have a medication that works for them. Sometimes this takes lots of trial, error, and discouragement. Eventually, the right medication will come around, and the condition of the patient will improve. This is really tricky, because the dosage is important as well.

The adverse affects of the wrong medication can be deadly....this is why the patient must be closely monitored when a new medication is brought into the picture. Additionally, it can take weeks or up to a month until a certain medication can come to full effect. In some cases, a patient with a severe condition may be admitted into a hospital during this monitoring process.

The whole process is tedious....switching from one medication to another to find the correct one, very expensive, and heart wrenching. Not all people have insurance to afford the needed treatment. In regards to the issue at hand, yes antidepressants can cause suicidal and psychotic action, and work in the wrong direction. It is the risk one takes when accepting treatment.

 

It is one thing to put yourself at risk.

It's another to put other people at risk.

 

A lot has been said about Chris Martinez but I have heard very little about Rodger's three roommates who were killed. I am wondering if they were Chinese students whose parents are still in China and / or don't speak English that well so the media hasn't interviewed them much.

I think a lot about what was known, and possibly if this could've been prevented, will be revealed once we know more about what Rodger's relationship was with his roommates and why he killed them first and so brutally.

 

Are you suggesting the abolishment of antidepressants? What are you saying? All in all, they are very necessary; especially in this day and age.

 

If they are causing this, then of course.

 

We do not know for a fact that was the cause of this. The fact of the matter is that we may never know. The illness itself may have done his mind over. Another thing to consider--alot of the negative effects of medication can be brought upon by the patient forgetting to take the pills or taking them on and off, here and there. That is very detrimental to treatment. The dosage must be constant and regular, or the negative effects may be profound. The reality is that if we had no antidepressants, shootings and psychotic behavior would be SIGNIFICANTLY increased and the results would be catastrophic. You take away antidepressants, you cause more violent acts, you deny our veterans help for PTSD and other post-war issues, and you deny mentally ill patients medication, while individuals with physical ailments, such as cancer, etc, still get their treatment. That is wrong, and plainly unconstitutional. That is simply never going to happen. Apparently it is mandatory that people point the finger at SOMETHING.

 

Not all anti-depressants cause suicidal symptoms. Seems to be limited to SSRIs.

It sure seems to be correlated with use. Pretty much all of these mass school killers were taking some psychiatric medication/ anti-depressants.

You don't have any evidence that not prescribing medication will cause more mass killings. It's a recent phenomenon.

IF this is one of the symptoms, then whatever class of medications is causing it needs to be banned and replaced with something else.

 

Likewise, you don't have evidence that these mass shootings were indeed caused by the antidepressants themselves. You cannot assume these things despite apparent correlation.

Additionally, show me documentation of every single mass shooting and evidence that the shooters were taking antidepressants. Inform me of the percentage of medicated shooters compared to the percentage of those not taking medication. Also, show me "evidence" of what percentage of all mass shootings occurred when the shooter was on said medication, and the medication was indeed the cause.

You can't. It's never going to happen, and ultimately it shouldn't. Mental illness has been documented since the 1950's and prior, I would say that is an exceptional sample size.

 

BTW, there are tons of other non-psychiatric medication that can cause the same side effects. Should we get rid of those as well? Just something to think about. These are prevalent medications. Sleeping pills, the acne drug accutane, and so many more examples that I actually can provide said "evidence" on. Get rid of antidepressants, get rid of those. Sorry for double post.

 

Please list medications that have the side effect of suicide and violence like SSRIs do.

 

This young man suffered from significant psychiatric ailments that increased his desire to follow through on his homicidal ideations. He wanted to kill people and make others suffer. It would be hard to argue that he was actually thinking of killing himself and only himself...

 

The anti-seizure medications:

Lyrica, Gabitril, Topamax, Zonegran, Lamictal, Neurontin, Felbatol, Depakote, Epitol, Keppra, and many more.

Of course, Accutane, the acne treatment.

The allergy medication, Singulair.

Chantix.

Tamiflu, the anti flu medication.

Lariam, which treats Malaria.

Ritalin, Concerta, Methylin and Metadate treat ADHD and cause suicidal, violent, and psychotic behavior.

Amnesteem, Claravis and Sotret, also treat acne, and cause similar behavior.

Several anti-epilepsy medications cause suicidal and violent, psychotic behavior. Same with sleep aids, they have noticed a "correlation." ADHD treatments and allergy medications as well.

But hey, let's screw those that have epilepsy, malaria, ADHD, PTSD, those that have allergies, those that have severe acne, those that need sleep. Let's do it!

Wait. There's more.

Lipitor for blood sugar, and Lopressor, designed to lower blood pressure. Let's get rid of these and let people die. There you go.

 

btw...drugs like alcohol, phenytoin(antiseizure meds), atomoxetine, isotretininoin come to my mind that have the potential risk of suicidal thoughts.

 

Um, no one is denying the existence of mental illness.

Mental illness has been around forever, mass shootings by mentally ill people on medication has been recent.

Why?

 

Read my list of medication, bro.