Yeah, there were a lot of rumored scenarios and denials of rumors, etc. As can be expected with trades that didn't come to be, teams rarely make public the details of the offers exchanged. But even the ("pennies on the dollar") offer that Aldridge said Orlando rejected is not far from what HOU traded to OKC for Harden with the 5 yr contract extension. One of the rookies- Lamb A veteran player needed to match contracts- Martin A future pick-- the Toronto pick which turned into Adams. The differences between the two offers were that HOU didn't take back any bad longer contracts from OKC but did send an extra pick (protected one from Dallas). And the package ORL got wasn't that bad in comparison, either: Vucevic, Afflalo, Harkless and picks. In the end, I don't disagree that the contract is an issue, but even with one year left there is a good chance that the bidding could get hot.
If we land Kevin Love, we'll then have to compensate for his and Harden's defense. Two liabilities on that level, will have us trading buckets at best. To me, Love just isn't a max contract player. Really, I don't understand why people on here bash Hardens defense. Then, turn around it and make it seem like we need to jump through hoops to get Love. His lack of defense is more detrimental considering he's a front court player. If we're going to throw him a max deal, can we still bring in enough help on the defensive end to balance the roster out? Not saying it's impossible, but it's also highly likely. You have to consider we play at a pace where bad defenders become even worse defenders. We also know that he couldn't carry the Wolves anywhere. He's not that type of player. Just not a max contract guy.
I was responding to this statement you made. If what you say is true, then any trade for Love would be followed by an extension. Or do you take back this statement?
I think what's underestimated by many is that even one year is a long time in the NBA when you're trying to contend. Compared to signing a max FA for 4 years, 5 years is basically 25% more of said player's service. This is hardly insignificant when you're talking about a player's prime. In addition, as you say the extra money that comes from re-signing with your own team, as well as the lack of need to use capspace to sign him outright, there's a lot of tangible benefits to trading for Love even without assurances of extension. Also, if Kevin Love has no contract issues, his trade value would not even come close to someone like Klay Thompson. It would be something like MCW + 3rd pick +10th pick instead. The fact that we're even putting Love in the same sentence as Thompson, Parsons, #7 pick(someone like Randle, Smart) is a testament to how little bargaining power Minnesota has.
I was referring to your tip jar bet proposal. How would we ever know if Love made a verbal commitment to a team, therefore how would we know who won the bet? Love doesn't have to sign an extension right a way, he just has to assure the team that he'll resign with them.
It was reported by Feigen: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Take your pick: Dwight w/ slim chance he'd sign extension or Harden w/ certainty he will? The Rox trade offers (players, picks) were same.</p>— Jonathan Feigen (@Jonathan_Feigen) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/statuses/262656777479417856">October 28, 2012</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
can anyone give me a 24hr update from credable sources like cyberX, Codman etc... or any posts which are interesting rep will be given
Not going comment on credible sources. However will say that nothing has been reported, I suspect teams are busy right now preparing for the draft. Anthony isn't expected to make a quick decision, Boston won't move Rondo until they know if they can get Love and Taylor has said he isn't moving Love at this time... They are in the middle of getting a coach.
I was under the impression that you believe he'll sign an extension. Because that's what your old posts state. But even if that's not the case, wouldn't it be to Love's benefit to publicly state this position? If Love is 100% certain to re-sign with whichever team he's traded to, but wants to keep things private, then he's either lying to the team or has horrible PR people. There's literally zero advantage to Love making it look like he'll test FA when he has no reason to. He can't get more money elsewhere, and it's bad for his image as Lebron, Dwight, Melo, etc. have all experienced. So if you really believe in your position that no team will trade for Love without knowing for certain that he'll re-sign, you should be taking my tip-jar bet.
I don't believe any team is going to give up a ton for Love unless they know he's going to be more than a one year rental. I'm not following your logic as to why Love would have to make a public statement on his intentions. I'm not sure how it makes him a liar if he doesn't commit to anything publicly. I also didn't say that no team will trade for Love unless he commits to them. What I said was that no team is going to give their best offer unless Love commits. Cleveland wouldn't trade the #1 pick unless they knew that Love would re-up with them but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't make any offer at all.
I can't wait to see how Love will improve the Rockets' #4 ranked offense to the next level. I'm sure moving from #4 to the top 3 will catapult the Rockets to that elite status they've been seeking for so long. Or perhaps the Rockets want Love for defensive purposes? Spoiler
Love is a big upgrade both offensively and defensively over Jones. With a center like Dwight, it's OK to have not the most physically talented defenders around him to have a top defense, but they do have to know what they are doing and not blow assignments too often. Scola was not a top defender, JJ Redick was not even an average defender, but they were parts of top defensive teams with Yao and Dwight protecting the rim because they had court awareness. Love's team was ranked 1 spot above HOU's defensively this year despite the fact that they do not have nearly the rim protector at C that HOU has. The only notable defender on their starting 5 was Rubio. Martin is bad. Love, Brewer and Pekovic are OK. And their bench just suck.
That's not possible. I know that because posters on this forum have informed me that Adelman doesn't know how to coach defense. To find out that he coached a better defensive team than a Houston one that featured both Dwight and Asik would totally fly in the face of that notion. "dobro" would really have some explaining to do if what you say can be taken seriously.
LOL at thinking one of the best (arguably the best) PF in the game wouldn't take this team to the next level.
I think we might be speaking of different things here. If you follow my posts and responses back, the original response in regards to Minnesota's bargaining power is that they can't possibly get a better deal than Thompson+Lee+Barnes. Which I disagree with. I think it's ludicrous to believe Thompson+Lee+Barnes is the best offer possible for Kevin Love if he's willing to commit to the team he's being traded to. That offer isn't even as good as what the Rockets gave up for Harden. And Harden was considered a much lesser player than Love is today.
It's not so simple as that. Love may not be a great defender, but he can hold his own man defense against traditional PFs that Jones couldn't last season. He also would allow the Rockets to grab more defensive rebound when Dwight goes out to challenge shots. Basketball is a team game and how players fit around each other matters.
