1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Astros @ Angels

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, May 19, 2014.

  1. juicystream

    juicystream Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2001
    Messages:
    30,607
    Likes Received:
    7,137
    And there goes the shutout, and puts the game in doubt.
     
  2. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    21,432
    Likes Received:
    34,639
    He finished the game, Trout hit a routine groundout and Altuve dogged it.

    I'd wanna punch his little a** in the face after that.
     
  3. CJLarson

    CJLarson Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2009
    Messages:
    3,783
    Likes Received:
    208
    Feel bad for Keuchel.
     
  4. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    21,432
    Likes Received:
    34,639
    phew

    9th inning nonsesne aside, Dallas Keuchel is legit
     
  5. cardpire

    cardpire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    10,809
    Likes Received:
    769
    Why not? Next batter basically got a seeing-eye single. He did the right thing.
     
  6. tmacfor35

    tmacfor35 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2008
    Messages:
    23,983
    Likes Received:
    14,659
    Astros win three series in a row?
     
  7. boozle222

    boozle222 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2009
    Messages:
    2,234
    Likes Received:
    155
    An Altuve tidbit: he has only 15 strike outs on the year and only 6 in the past 26 games. With him catching fire as of late, his ability to continuously put the play has been awesome. I know he has never been considered much of a strikeout candidate, but it's great to see it continue with his improved hitting this season. He is also in the top 8 of the league in doubles and on pace to remain in the top 10 by the end of the year based on historical comparisons (40 should get you in the top 10 and he is on pace for 48 or so)
     
  8. Storm the Field

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2014
    Messages:
    67
    Likes Received:
    14
    Bargain of the year so far:

    Keuchel ($508K) has posted a 2.4 WAR so far, tying him for 2nd place alongside Buehrle ($18M) and Scherzer ($15.5M) among MLB pitchers.
     
  9. juicystream

    juicystream Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2001
    Messages:
    30,607
    Likes Received:
    7,137
    Just hope he can keep it together all season. He was off to the slowest start of his career, but has picked it up in May. Now he just needs to avoid the collapse he's had in his first 3 seasons. Would really like for him to cement his spot as a building block. Altuve/Dominguez/Castro have all shown me enough to say they can be starters for a contender, but none have proven to be stars.

    Looking like an all-star.
     
  10. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    21,432
    Likes Received:
    34,639
    Yeah I'm not even excited about Altuve yet, I'm certainly happy he's hitting so well, but we've seen this before from him.

    In 2012 he had an .826 OPS through 66 games, finished with .740

    In 2013 he had an .827 OPS through 43 games, finished with .678

    His BABIP is very sustainable right now, so that's a positive. He is still very much a subpar defensive player, so he has to hit pretty well to offset it.
     
  11. Frank Drebin

    Frank Drebin Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2013
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    67
    As Blummer said in the first inning after not seeing in them in a little while, this team looks like they have some "swagger".
    Also noted, Mike Trout is hitting .263 and leads the league in strikeouts?!?wtf!? Pre-season he was anointed best player in the majors!

    As far as Altuve goes, he really needs to prove that little body can hold up and produce for a whole season, or he just isn't the guy.
     
  12. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    21,432
    Likes Received:
    34,639
    He still has the second highest WAR in the AL, he is the best player in baseball, just a slow start
     
  13. boozle222

    boozle222 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2009
    Messages:
    2,234
    Likes Received:
    155
    It is worth noting that the passing of Altuve's grandmother and Paredes deciding to become a wrecking ball prior to Miley Cyrus played a role in his regression. The strong finish he had in Sept/Oct (an OPS over .840 after a month where it was below .500) seemed more the norm for him. Also, he was doing great prior to the Paredes collision which I really do feel played a big role. That all being said, I don't think Altuve will finish white hot like he is now, but I don't see why he can't bat over .290 for a full season and keep the K rate down.

    As for that nucleus, amen. I am more sold on Matty D and Altuve than Castro (Stassi is unproven but worth a shot as a full time catcher in my opinion). Also, I know it wasn't entirely inclusive, but I am confident that Springer will be in that core. There is more certainty in this lineup than we have seen in quite some time.
     
  14. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    21,432
    Likes Received:
    34,639
    We and you have a major disagreement on Altuve vs Castro, even with his slow start offensively Castro is still on pace to post a WAR over 2, in 2012 he posted a WAR of 1.3 in only 87 games. He was recovering from injury and posted an .830 OPS over the last 61 games of 2012. He basically had one really bad week this season dragging down his numbers, which are still decent.

    Altuve is bad defensively, in 2012 even with his .740 OPS, he only managed a WAR of 1.4. If Altuve can't maintain a .300 BA, he simply isn't very productive given his lack of walks or power.
     
  15. boozle222

    boozle222 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2009
    Messages:
    2,234
    Likes Received:
    155
    First, I am not saying that Altuve has more potential than Castro. I am just sold more on Altuve than I am Castro. Castro seems to have a lot of small injuries nag him, and that is just a bother to me from catcher. In 5 seasons, Castro has played less than 100 games in all but 1. Altuve has played in 145+ games in the 2 full seasons he has been available.

    I would love to see Castro remain a 4+ WAR player, but regression says otherwise and his poor start to this year (while still currently sporting a .298 BABIP which seems about right) may be more the norm for him in the future. His growing strike out rate this year is more than concerning as well.

    Altuve offers the ability to steal bases, play around or below league average second base, bat for a high average and what appears to be improving walk rate, and a catalyst for the offense.

    In short, I am not pulling for Castro to fail or wanting Altuve to out perform him. I just trust his production potential more than Castro's. Altuve being 3 years younger at a less destructive position helps as well.

    Lastly, I think Altuve will finish the year with a higher WAR than Castro this season.
     
  16. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    18,457
    Likes Received:
    14,666
    Altuve leads the club:

    Doubles (14)
    Triples (2) tied
    BA (.305)
    TB (79)
    SO (fewest with >100ab) (15)
    WAR (1.3)
    OBP (.350)

    Castro leads the club:
    RBI's (22)


    I am having a hard time seeing Castro as more valuable than Altuve.
     
  17. boozle222

    boozle222 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2009
    Messages:
    2,234
    Likes Received:
    155
    And don't forget 'tuve leads the AL in steals as well!
     
  18. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    21,432
    Likes Received:
    34,639
    If they finish the season playing this way Altuve is much better, but I don't expect that.

    Last season was an aberration for Castro, I always expected it to be. I think by years end his OPS will be in the .740-.760 range, and K rate will be closer to last seasons.

    As for Altuve, maybe I'm just putting too much weight into it, but I've seen him collapse 2 straight seasons. Until I see him maintain this, I won't believe it. Make no mistake I'm absolutely rooting for him, I love to be wrong when I make negative predictions.
     
  19. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    18,457
    Likes Received:
    14,666
    So basically, you are saying Altuve will get worse and Castro will get better?
     
  20. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    21,432
    Likes Received:
    34,639
    I'd say I expect them to get back to their level, but I guess you could say that.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now