Phoenix makes much more sense, they have one of the best situations in the league at the moment. Young roster, they're stock with a ton of assets, cap flexibility, great coaching staff, and the best medical team in the league. In 2 years, with the right moves, the Suns could definitely be on top of the West. And makes sense for Love, he's in a big market, somewhat West-coast. Golden State would be all in with Love on their roster, and I don't think I'd put them on top of the West. Love to GSW would leave them with Curry/Love/Bogut/Iggy and probably one of Barnes/Thompson/Green. Thats their team. If they aren't good enough early on, he's stuck there. Love/Curry/Bogut are all serious injury risks. Questionable coaching situation.
The conversation starts with Thompson. I'm just glad Harrison Barnes' value dropped quite a bit as he could have fetched a nice package by himself last year.
It's up to Minnesota and what's best for their future. If they can pull David Lee, Harrison Barnes, Draymond Green, and picks I see no other logical choice than sending him to the Bay Area.
Klay is too good of a complement to GS's offense to be traded in that package unless you get an elite shooter back. The trade would then look like: Lee, Thompson, and Barnes for Love and Kevin Martin If GS wants to trust K-Mart's health, which nobody does, then do the trade for Love.
It's going to boil down to Houston, gsw and Chicago. Depends on who offers the most and what Minnesota prefers in return. Gsw is at a disadvantage because it lacks the current and future draft picks these blockbuster deals always involve.Conversations start and end with klay. He's the major piece similar to Parsons in Houston. They could add barnes or trade him for a pick and send the pick.David Lee is the stop gap pf until they find the future pf. Likely the strongest package they can put together is klay/barnes(1st)/Lee/filler. To me that's the weakest package. Chicago has the best package with future picks/charlotte pick/butler/mirotic/taj. That depends on how much they are willing to spend in trade and if they don't go after melo instead. Keeping thier assets or atleast some. Houston to me still seems the favorite. We offer the best young player in return with Parsons, in a position they need. You can make an argument about klay but you'd be wrong. We also have a young pf in Jones to replace love. We have all future picks. Not to mention whatever value we get from asik getting traded and possibly adding bev. But these things are super tricky and it will all come down to what Minnesota wants and decides
If the package includes Barnes and Thompson that isnt that bad. I think Thompson is underrated and plays both sides of the court. I would argue his lack of development (and Barnes) may have something to do with having a completely inexperienced coach in Mark Jackson running the show. A change in scenery may help both of their careers quite a bit. Lee has a big contract and can replace a lot of the "stats" that Love would leave behind but I am not sure if Minnesota wants to be strapped to a contract for a player that is more of a stop gap than anything. Question would be can the wolves also dump Martin (who will probably suck again with Adelman gone) and get Lee/Barnes/Thompson in return? I think the wolves would be intrigued by Barnes/Thompson but do not want Lee. agree but how much will they give up to get Love. The biggest question is will Love want to go there and stay there? Rose's knees are the biggest question mark there is. If Rose returns to 2011 form then a core of Love/Noah/Rose will contend in the east - but that is a huge IF for a guy who has sat out the last two seasons. Otherwise if Rose is a shell of the player he was (which can happen as he relied heavily on his speed/athleticism) then its hard to see the Bulls contend especially if they give up some of their young pieces in Butler or Taj, Mirotic and the charlotte pick. I am sure if the status of how Rose will be was set in stone I would imagine that both Love's camp and Chicago would race to try to get a deal done and if I was chicago I would offer Mirotic, the picks and either Gibson or Butler (but not both) I value Klay higher than parsons at the moment since he is an elite shooter and a great defender. Parsons' defense has slipped considerably since his rookie year. Klay's offense game is far more complete (post up, mid range etc) though neither are really play makers I would say. Add in that Klay just turned 24 and Parsons will be 26 at the start of next season - Klay has more room for growth. I believe a deal would have to start with Jones and Parsons and then for salary purposes Asik and Lin - but the question would be why would Minnesota want either Asik or Lin? Asik has already said he feels he should start and the Wolves have a very capable center in Pekovic already starting. Their best player (post Love trade) Rubio is a PG so why would Lin be a necessary draw? I doubt Lin will create as much buzz in Minnesota as he would in a larger market. A third team would have to get involved that would value Asik and or Lin -- not to mention Houston would have to find a way to probably pay for the additional 7 million owed to each player that isnt counted on the cap I wouldn't rule out Daryl and his creativity but I feel teams would want Asik or Lin for various reasons but the cost of each player is really high (despite their cap hit). Unfortunately those two guys play positons of strength for the Wolves.
I think Minnesota want the Ainge route, we don't want your players, we want picks, so go out and get picks for them. Is Klay more valuable than Parsons? let's see what draft pick you get offered for them. It makes sense though, going backwards from where Minnesota are, but only slightly backwards whilst adding an asset that depreciates (players) is silly, adding draft picks that appreciate until they're exercised whilst making you a lot worse is smart. If Love is amicable to Boston though, they win, we've all got nothing compared to that
Your absolutely right that it isn't a bad deal. Those are two young and upcoming players, one more so than the other. I say the weakest package because of the picks they have to offer, which is hardly anything after acquiring iggy. You make a valid argument about lack of development and maybe your right but it's all about perceived value and barnes has lost value since last year. Your right about lee filling the stats and again about whether they are trying to stay competitive while rebuilding or not. IMO, In order for gsw to land love is if minny wants to try and do a rebuild on the fly. Considering the market, i doubt it.... Yea idk if they could get rid of Martin, but if they are losing barnes and klay gsw is going all in and probably don't mind biting the bullet on martin since they will need to replace a lot of shooting. I also agree Minnesota doesn't want Lee, maybe they could send him to a third team for a late 1st. But that is likely the only types of picks gsw will be able to offer. I don't think love resigns in Chicago. I don't think rose will be nearly as explosive. They have the best picks to offer, including mirotic which is like having a lottery pick this year. I honestly don't think Chicago offers up total value. They have to be weary of rose sucking and be ready for that. Trading all your assets for love just to realize rose isn't the same anymore leaves you in the same boat. Whereas if you chase and land melo and keep all of your assets. If rise comes back like crap, you have the young players to potentially carry you. So like you i wouldn't give up the fan to acquire him.[/quote] Your right in the fact that last is the better shooter and defender, but Parsons is clearly the bigger playmaker. He often leads our fast breaks and initiate the offense often. He was a very good defender but ever since his role grew on offense he doesn't exert as much on defense. But he has the potential and shown it. Parsons i think has much higher leadership skills while Klay is younger though. It obviously starts with Jones and Parsons. And for salary purposes atleast one of Lin and/or asik. Since asik actually carries a positive value and Lin doesn't it will be him. It will definitely take a third team in search of a starting center, like Atlanta. I think morey definitely has to get creative but i don't think it will be difficult either. Including our wanting to dump Lin is the obvious hard part. You will probably have to package 2nds with him to get him away with value in return. Asik is much easier to get value straight up. I think we need keep a look out for trades for UN guaranteed contracts and/or picks. Something like asik for bogans. Or asik/#25 to Atlanta for #15. Maybe Lin and 2 future 2nds for a UN guaranteed contract would be nice. You than package those picks/contracts along with Parsons/Jones/ and say 3 future firsts and possibly their in 2nds. That is a grandfather deal for Minnesota.
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Would it make more sense for the rockets to trade Parsons/Jones/picks/Asik for Love or dump Asik and Lin along with picks to get Melo in free agency while retaining Parsons?
I agree, but Parsons has one HUGE advantage over Thompson: Two more years of a ridiculously cheap contract. I would imagine that if Morey struggles with the decision about giving up Parsons in a trade, it's not because of Parsons overall level of play, but rather because of his VALUE. You can count on one hand the number of quality starters at any position you could pick up for under a million a year. Replacing Parsons would be very difficult, especially if we have Dwight/Harden/Love all on the roster.
Parsons has one year left on his deal and Klay has one year than a team option for another year. Granted that the cost is much higher on Klay's deal than Parsons for year 1 - chances are that after next season Parsons is going to want a deal that pays him 7-9 million a year. I would imagine Klay would fetch something similar. If Parsons gets a deal like that then he would be pricier than Klay in year 2. I am not completely sold on Parsons playmaking skills - he was the glue guy here in Houston and was active on offensive and because of that helped the team tremendously but I still place Klay who is a better offensive and defensive player above him. The one thing I believe both need to work on is consistency - too may nights we've seen both Klay and Parsons score like 20 and then the next night score 10 to get an average of 15 ppg. As for deals Asik has great value - Lin right now would only have value to a team from a marketing perspective. The price tag (not cap hit) of $15 million is going to be hard to swallow for any owner with the Rockets giving additional compensation - like i would not be surprised if they were like a few extra deals where a conditional second round pick (which never materializes) and cash is sent to a team that receives Asik - maybe 2 deals since I believe the most cash a team can give is 3 million per deal. so something like asik + cash + pick -> team B for higher first round pick then a separate deal conditional 2nd rd pick + cash -> team B for conditional 2nd round pick That would give team b 6 million in cash to help pay for asik or lin's $15 million dollar deal. I dont know if such a thing would be legal though since the second deal would be contigent on the first deal -- we all saw what happened last season with the whole Doc Rivers/Garnett debacle. The teams would probably have to make the second deal in a under the table type of wink wink deal later in the season I would imagine.
That's tantamount to saying "We don't want Love", because they have nothing else of significant value to trade.
D'OH! You're right, I forgot he just finished his THIRD year. Obviously, that makes him more tradable, because he'll definitely be looking to get a decent sized contract after next season.
Then they're not getting Love. That would just be another Harden to Houston type trade, which surely Minnesota isn't dumb enough to agree to. *thinking* OK Minnesota would totally be dumb enough to agree to that...
