Is Patrick Beverley worth a first rounder in this draft?

Regardless of the draft class, I'd argue that the weaker PG landscape in 2010-11 was more of a determining factor.

That draft alone contained 5 future starting-caliber PGs!
Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight, Reggie Jackson, Isaiah Thomas (Norris Cole)

Indiana could have had three of those guys with their pick

Simply put, I don't think Beverley is worth a 1st rounder in today's NBA

 

What does Rose have to do with a late round pick vs Beverley?

 

I don't understand the logic here - if that draft had an oversupply of good point guards, shouldn't the trade value of a PG have been LOWER and thus, if there is no oversupply in this draft, shouldn't the trade value of a decent PG be HIGHER?

 

We are talking about Chicago's valuation of Beverly, and whether he is worth a late first round pick to Chicago, correct? My stance is that he doesnt take care of their main problem, which is lack of scoring. Therefore, why would they use their first rounder on another defense first guy? You say Chicago won't care anyway because they value defense. I countered that Rose isn't the best defender but he is the backbone of the team because he's special on offense.

 

Beverley averages exactly 1pts/game 25%FG at 4th&OT(61mins 6pts)during this playoff, did I need to pull out his main match up Lillard's number?

Beverley is not enough for Heaters,

 

You are right, I should have been clearer.

My point was that the NBA in 2010-11 was in need of starting caliber PGs as evidenced by 5 teams finding them AFTER the draft. In the same vein, it made sense for Indiana to trade a 1st rounder for a backup PG in George Hill. In other words, the supply was smaller than the demand.

Today, a backup like Beverley would not have as much trade value because there are more decent PGs in the NBA landscape than before.

 

where's the lottery pick option?

 

Beverley might get you a low first rounder, but IMO he has little trade value.

Bev can't create, can't penetrate particularly well, isn't a great shooter (good enough for 3 and D), and doesn't give you flexibility to switch him onto shooting guards and small forwards like a Tony Allen or Kawhi Leonard. One-way players might make decent role players, but you don't (or you shouldn't) trade your lottery picks for them.

Now, you might say that he's got value guarding all the scoring point guards in the league. This is true, but he hasn't shown enough "lock-down" ability to warrant his lack of offense. He might frustrate Lillard for a few possessions, but Lillard is still going to score 25 ppg on hiim and take a vacation on the defensive end. You shouldn't be playing Beverley 35 minutes per game, which is basically what you would have to do if you are giving up a lottery pick for the guy.

Bev's attitude, fiestiness, and spirit are all positive traits, but they're way overrated in terms of value around here. People overstate the big rebound, aggressive steal, and hustle in a game while completely overlooking the times when he gets blown by for reaching, or when his man completely ignores him on defense. You take talent and skill first and foremost, and then we can talk about intangibles.

 

Bev is off the table unless Rondo comes walking through the door IMO.

I don't see how anyone could possibly think we would trade Parson's we owe him. And, if you haven't noticed, he's pretty good.

 

late first

 

Beverley is a role player for most teams in the NBA, not a starter. That suggests that his value is for a second round pick or very low first round.

 

Morey: Take anyone besides Harden/Howard. We'll include future first/second round picks.

Flip Saunders : Okay, give me Parsons, Jones, 2 first round picks, Lin or Asik (perhaps to a third team since Minny has no use for them) and 2 second round picks .

Morey : Okay, that sounds like a great deal for both of us. On second thought, how about we give you Beverley instead of Parsons?

Saunders : *hangs up*


Bev is not a filler for Parsons - not even close, especially for one of the top PFs in the game. You are delusional if you think Bev's trade value is that of Parsons. That proposed deal above isn't even enough to get Love, but now you want to substitute Bev for Parsons? No matter who it is - whether Melo, Rondo, Love, etc - if the GM wants Parsons, Morey won't be able to offer Bev instead.

 

Bev is "off the table"? Parsons is going to get (over)paid after next year. Either by us or someone else. And he isn't THAT good.

 

of course, we could probably get lamarcus aldridge for him.

Howard/love (if luis can play center so can love dammit)
Aldridge/love
Lebron?
Harden/tony allen
Rondo/lowry



what? i tried heroine after that thread in the hangout.

 

wow im int he minority thinking he's worth a mid first rounder. after reading threads from the playoffs, looks like most forgot beverley had the FLU all series long, thats why he couldn't slow down lilliard. i dont think he's a shut down, elite defender, thats overrating him. but he could've had a much better playoffs if he was healthy

he's only gonna get better
he has experience overseas
can stretch the floor
overall plays good defense
good rebounder for a pg esp at 6'1 190
started most games for a 50+ win team in the stacked west
low on to's

i can go on but just with that alone, how is not worth a mid first rounder?

but he's too good and too much potential to trade just for a mid first rounder. he either stays or packaged in a deal for a 3rd star. do pple forget that most 2nd rounders and late 1st rounders NEVER pan out in the nba? in a stacked draft, how many mid first rounders are gonna be all stars? i dunno what you guys are expecting from this draft lol

 

LOL, would rep if i could.

 

wow looks like it

 

If this draft was like last year, talent wise, I have no doubt we could get a late first. But with a loaded draft like this, where picks 1-14 can all be potential stars and later 1st rounds picks pretty much have at least "solid role player/starter" no way Beverley equals any of that.

Honestly, the jury is still out as to weather Beverley is a starting caliber point guard. For as great as he is with his hustle and defense, he doesn't seem to have the capabilities of being a true point guard by any stretch. Has he had a game where he reached double figure assist or at least 8? Of course having Harden as the de facto point guard affects stats like that but Beverley still doesn't have the mindset and basic passing/playmaking savviness as all starting point guards should have.

 

Late first round pick in NBA means jack.

In fact, lots of late first round picks will be wasted by teams intentionally on international players who will never play for these teams.

Late first round pick is much less valuable than early second round teams.

The key is : guaranteed contracts.

 

I would NOT move Pat Beverley..... His combination of defense and rebounding is one of a kind for a point guard.... (Only Chris Paul is a better defender, only Russ Westbrook is a better rebounder.) And since his role is more a spot shooter on offense, moving him for a real point guard may be subtraction by addition. As long as this offense runs "Moreyball", defense and spot shooting will be the primary role for the point guard, and only few in the entire league do both as well as Beverley.