Is Patrick Beverley worth a first rounder in this draft?

As Clutch eluded to, its all about value dependent upon the buyer.

Who needs a PG? and who needs a PG who is mostly a defensive presence more than anything, and not really an idea starter?.... Probably just the Rockets more than anyone which makes his value here greater than anywhere else.

People are far often too assumptive with trade value around here. You can't tell me a player is worth X Pick in the draft without telling me who the buy is, and what the market is at that time.

So lets gauge the market right now a little bit. If Morey was trying to trade Beverley for a pick in this draft, some teams that pop up into mind that have a NEED for a starter or a high minute rotation guard would be-

-Lakers
-Bucks
-Heat (maybe)
-Bobcats (if they move Kemba to the 2)
-Bulls (if Rose isn't coming back for awhile)
-Mavs (if They made a mistake with Calderon)

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-Lakers aren't giving up the 6th pick in the draft & have no other picks for some time. (owe 2015 & 2017 first rounders so cannot trade future 1st's).
-Bucks aren't giving up a top 3 pick, However they have two high 2nd rounders this year. Future 1st rounder next year or beyond would be best case scenario since they do not owe any picks
-Miami has the 26th pick in this years draft
-Bobcats have the 24th pick in this years draft
-Bulls own the 16th & 19th pick this year
-Mavs 1st rounder goes to the Thunder this year, High 2nd rounder owned.

.............

So if Morey was trading Beverley for a pick in this years draft, IMO, I would say there are a few high second rounders that are attainable, and potentially the Miami & Charlotte late 1st rounders.

Best case scenario would be if the Bulls trade either pick in the teens for Beverley. Worst case scenario is 2nd rounder.

The truth in valuing is usually to place it around the medium. I think its safe to say Beverley's value this year for a draft pick would in the mid 20's in the late 1st round.

Is the value of what Morey is getting in that pick worth what he is losing on the basketball court this next year for the Rockets?????


IMO.... hell no unless that pick is key to being flipped in a major deal for an impact player. If you take a player at that spot, and end of having to keep them, you've most likely lost majorly in this type of deal.

 

Actually i am wrong, i think chalmers contract is coming up and by all accounts he is going to be looking for a lot more than the heat can pay. Would make sense to give up their #1 for beverly. Absolutely perfect fit

 

Why doesn't ATL like Teague, especially after his postseason performance?

 

I think you could get a pick right outside of the lottery (in the 15-18 range) for him, but he is one of the players that I really want to hold onto. Even if we do get Lowry, Bev could be a great sixth man and back up the 1 & 2.

 

How in the world will you assume the Knicks will have less of PG needs than all of above teams?

All of the above teams have way better PG(s) than the Knicks and basically all of the above teams (maybe except Orlando if you don't count Oladipo as a PG) have better PG (s) than the Rockets.

I can see if the Rockets will get either Rondo, Lowry or Teague and let go of Bev, otherwise why will the Rockets even consider to let him go for a mid-low round pick which you can be even sure you can get Shabazz Napier - whose not even guaranteed to be better than Bev at this moment?

 

add to above : ok I understand the reason you excluded the Knicks because of their pick situation this year.

 

Knicks don't have a pick, though.

 

The Heat have his bird rights. Also whose giving Chalmers a fairly sizable contract beyond what he's making now with the Heat?

I think the Rockets could be in play for the Heat's 26th pick if they absolutely need a pick to flip in a deal, but IMO from a basketball standpoint anything they are getting with that pick alone is very unlikely to ever have the value to the Rockets on the court that Beverley will have next year as he's extremely important to what they do defensively.

Morey traded Rafer for Lowry so you never know how strongly Morey will feel about a prospect, but in this draft that low if he's taking a replacement prospect PG, he's going to be hard pressed to feel that confident about anyone to be an upgrade from Beverley.

Beverley is pretty damn important to the Rockets. If he's trading him for a late 1st round pick, he better have some pretty big plans of what he's going to do with that pick pretty quick or it could really hurt the Rockets this year.

 

The Rockets are not getting rid of Beverely.

 

The only reason that the Rockets will trade away Bev is with a deal to get a top graded PG, otherwise its not going to happen.

- He is getting the minimum salary.
- He has value, especially defensively, which is the weakest link in this team.
- He is familiar with the system and unless you can get a ready to play in the NBA and top 5 talents PG to contribute right away (which no way in hell someone will trade you a pick for Bev), why will you even risk to take a project PG again to waste another year?

 

I'd rather have him than any of our first last year, especially the second one.

 

Even though this draft class is supposedly strong, I think a late first rounder is still a gamble. I could easily see a team in the second half (especially the contending teams that just want a base hit from the draft, not a home run) choosing the relative certainty that comes with Beverley to the crap shoot of the draft.

I don't think we prefer the crap shoot to the certainty of Beverley, unless it's a package for Rondo that makes Beverley a little redundant.

 

Beverley
Wade
Lebron
Battier

Backcourt would hound the league with agressive strong defense

 

I don't care what their problems are, I know who their coach is and what he values.

 

A couple of years ago San Antonio got the #15 pick (K. Leonard) for George Hill.

I think Beverley is in that range as a PG. Not sure Beverley could nab #15 in THIS draft, but I think that is a fair comparison.

 

any good coach will value winning above everything else. Rose isnt exactly a lights out defender but he's really special on offense.

 

The Spurs had Tony Parker so they let go of Hill.

The Rockets want to get rid of Lin but not Bev.

 

From our point of view, yes!

I doubt any team out there is going to give us a first-rounder for him.