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Is Patrick Beverley worth a first rounder in this draft?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by basketballholic, May 19, 2014.

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Is Patrick Beverley worth a first rounder in this draft?

  1. No

    141 vote(s)
    47.8%
  2. Yes, somewhere between #10 and #15

    35 vote(s)
    11.9%
  3. Yes, somewhere between #16 and #20

    37 vote(s)
    12.5%
  4. Yes, somewhere between #21 and #30

    82 vote(s)
    27.8%
  1. basketballholic

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    Many of you posters keep focusing on Chandler Parsons as the "piece" that we will have to give up for a superstar (Love). Frankly......I think it may come down to Patrick Beverley and his trade value that makes a deal. Not Chandler Parsons.

    With that in mind, is Beverley worth a first rounder in this year's draft? I think he's worth a pick in the 20's at least. And him plus #25 may be worth a pick in the teens.
     
  2. kingjosh

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    Beverley at best will fetch a very late first round pick (>25th overall). THis is because

    1. 3 + D 'point' guards are not a commodity that is particularly valued in the current scheme of things. Beverley works with this team ONLY because James harden is both an excellent ball handler, and basically runs the offence 75% of the time. In fact, I would suggest that even without chandler, Beverley would be culpable to greater criticism as a poor floor general. He lacks the scoring prowess that allows score-first point guards to derive value - brooks, lawson etc.

    2. Most teams are set at pointguard. The PG position is stacked NBA round.

    I would be very, very suprised if a team gave beverley a 1st straight up. For reference, an excellent center in Gortat recieved only a lottery protected pick from the wizards. First round picks are increasingly highly valued
     
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  3. basketballholic

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    Sound reasoning.


    However Beverley is a unique defender at the 1 in the NBA.
     
  4. saleem

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    His mental toughness is also a big plus point, but he is injured along with his limitations.
     
  5. Indaface

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    No he's not worth a first
     
  6. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Nope. Not with his deal ending soon.
     
  7. Karolik

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    You overrate him probably..early 2nd round?
     
  8. finsraider

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    I could see late first/early 2nd for the right team. Don't see how that would be enough to tip the scales.
     
  9. MoonBus

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    I don't know how good this year's picks are, but if it is as good as others have predicted, I think #25 & Beverly will net you at best #16. Lowery got us #9 and Beverly is no where as good as Lowery was at the time. I don't think that is value enough as part of a trade for our 3rd star.

    Beverley is more valuable for us than other teams because of Harden as kingjosh had pointed out. I think for other teams he'll be best used coming off the bench. No one will value a bench player that much as part of a trade for a super star.

    Although I don't believe Parsons will ever become a 3rd star, I think he is very much valued by other teams for his overall skills. He will be gone if we get that 3rd star, no doubt about it. Trade partners will want him and we won't have the money to resign Parson after adding the 3rd star to our payroll.
     
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    Beverley is a Bench player,so no.
     
  12. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Bench players get traded for first rounders. Not saying Bev is worth one but your post is flat out wrong.
     
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  13. Texanasiafan

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    You need to look at it from another side.

    Which of all the playoff teams this season is the weakest in PG position?

    The answer can not be more clear : the Rockets.

    So if Bev will be on the market and which team will want him the most? The Rockets. Because without Bev, the Rockets will be a complete joke in the PG position comparing to all the other playoff teams.

    Hence, Bev has no trade value for the Rockets.
     
  14. dc rock

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    I wouldn't trade him for a low first rounder, but I assume that's probably his ceiling of worth to other general managers.
     
  15. hotballa

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    What no option for #1-#5? How many d-first PGs do you see playing on a consistent basis in the NBA? That should answer any questions as to his worth in one of the deepest drafts I've seen in a while.
     
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    Yeah. Beverly for Wiggins.
     
  17. Clutch

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    Chase Budinger netted the 18th pick and I believe he had one more bargain year left on his contract.

    To answer questions like this though -- it all depends on who owns the pick. Minnesota was really looking for a shooter and Rick Adelman had a comfort level with him ... it made it worth it to them. Someone else holding the 18th pick might have not have even considered it.

    If a team was trying to make a run, needed a PG and boost defensively in the backcourt and didn't like their PG options in the draft, then I could see it. But frankly, that's describing the Rockets -- Beverley is probably as valuable to the Rockets right now as he would be to any other team.
     
  18. Ziggy

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    Y'all are crazy not to think a playoff caliber team wouldn't trade one of their 1st round picks for an elite defender at the 1. What are the Warriors going to do with there pick? Beverley would help them right away. You don't think Chicago would bend over backwards to add him in exchange for a rookie with no experience?

    Even if his contract is up soon, he's too valuable not to warrant interest. What Beverley can do is exceptionally rare and he's tough as nails. Coaches love tough as nails. They hate young, immature and unproven.

    No brainer.
     
  19. hotballa

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    I'm looking over the PGs in the league right now and frankly just don't see any team that would give up a 1st rounder for him. Maybe Orlando? I dont know their pg situation.
     
  20. hotballa

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    You really think Chicago's problem is a need for more defense? They need a scorer. I just dont see them using their pick to look for another defender. If they do, then they're just idiots who didnt watch the last two playoffs.
     

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