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[Woj] Houston plans to pursue Kevin Love

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Swishh, May 18, 2014.

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  1. count_dough-ku

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    I agree. I think Parsons' performance in the Portland series made it very questionable whether the Rockets should invest 8 figures a year in him. He's a very good offensive player, but his defense has badly regressed and he disappeared during long stretches of the postseason. Shoot, the only reason the Rockets avoided a sweep was ironically due to Parsons fouling out in Game 3 which forced McHale to play Daniels in his place.

    If the Rockets somehow landed Love(and gave up Parsons in the process), the ideal 3 for this team is a Bruce Bowen/Shane Battier-type(minus the dirty play in the case of Bowen). Someone who can play solid perimeter defense, knock down open threes, and does the dirty work that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.
     
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    Wait, watch, and see. The ONLY place Morey would trade Parsons to would be to Florida...if Parsons wants to go home. That may happen at some point in the distant future. But not now and not in a month or two.

    There is a method to the madness. Morey is establishing a track record. While many people focus on him flipping players they don't focus on the loyalty factor that underlies what he has done. The players he flipped were have-to deals, because we weren't championship competitive and had no superstars and those players we drafted and flipped or traded for and in turn flipped were not going to be superstar players that could carry us to a championship if we gave them long-term deals.

    The same would hold true for Parsons if we had not acquired Harden and then Dwight. If we were sitting here today without either superstar there would be no doubt that Parsons would be on the table for a trade because of his trade value. And in all actuality Parsons would have probably already been traded by now, probably sometime last year while his trade value was at its max.

    But you're going to see a titanium shift in how Morey and this front office deals with players once they have their big 3 in place. They won't overpay (thank God) and have any boat anchor contracts on the books but they will keep good role players around for the long term, the same way the Spurs and Thunder have done with guys like Nick Collison, Boris Diaw, etc. Morey will reward good role players that work hard and are basketball intelligent with good character with good contracts and keep them around to build and maintain team chemistry.

    This organization is being run much the same way the Spurs and Thunder are being run. Except this is a bigger market and we will most likely be able to burn a little more money than either of those teams once we get our core in place.



    Bottom Line: Morey is not trading Parsons at this time. Yes, I've said it a thousand times. But many of you just don't get it. Parsons ain't going anywhere. It should be obvious to you after watching Parsons recruit Dwight. Parsons is staying for the next 3-5 years at least.
     
  3. Aleron

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    Chandler will probably be cool with it if he ends up with a 5 yr/~50m deal this offseason
     
  4. dobro1229

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    Also, you have to consider the fact that Parsons knew he was going to be in Houston for at least another year to 2 years & the team was on the verge of being something special with an addition. He is a smart guy and knew that his career would take off even more with Dwight around him.

    However I dont see why Parsons recruiting Dwight would have any impact on his decisions in free agency years from that point? He made a smart move for himself back than and will make a smart move for himself in the future in free agency.

    There is no reason Parsons would WANT to leave Houston, and there is no reason the Rockets would WANT to trade Parsons, but at the end of the day... as you said.... its a business and you have to do whats best for your business. I dont see there being any hard feelings at all if Parsons was to be traded for someone like Kevin Love to a team that wants to pay him and make him a star, and I dont see any hard feelings coming from Houston if Parsons takes an offer after this season in free agency to be take a larger role & a larger contract with another team.

    However if the Rockets traded Parsons to a team that then immediately tries to use him in another trade as an asset, or to a team that wants to have him coming off the bench in a reduced role, I could see Parsons at that point being a little ticked about the deal. I dont see Minnesota as a preferred destination, but it does potentially check the boxes for what Parsons wants on the financial side, and can give him a larger role on a team that doesn't necessarily suck.

    Just saying... If you think Morey is worried about Parsons & his agencies feelings in dealing for Kevin Love, I'd think again. They might be more open to the possibility than one might think depending on what that team has to offer Parsons in return.
     
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  5. count_dough-ku

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    Does Morey want to trade Parsons? No. Would he trade him if that was the difference between adding Kevin Love or not? Hell yes.
     
  6. DorianTurk

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    Although your statement is a possibility, w/ the addition of Love, it could actually help. The fact that aging stars could be willing to take less money to be in a situation like this and more players would relish to play in an opportunity w/ 3 stars. If a player is willing to take less money then thats already a plus that shows that player will have a "team first" mentality here.

    Just trying to think with more of a "glass half full" type mentality as opposed to the "glass half empty" one
     
  7. DorianTurk

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    Agreed. Parsons is not untouchable IMO He shouldn't be either.
     
  8. c1utchfan925

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    A team with Harden/Love/Dwight would make us nearly instant contenders vs a team with Harden/Parsons/Dwight. A team that would trump the first team would be Harden/Parsons/Love/Dwight..

    :)
     
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    Hilarious. I understand the business side of it. Do you?

    It is a business. Do you think Flip is going to build a team around Parsons??? LOL. It's a business.

    Here's the business side of it:

    1. Nobody can pay Parsons more than the Rockets can. We can give him 5 years and more money than anywhere else.

    2. Parsons has a greater chance to win multiple championships as the 4th guy if we acquire a third superstar than he does going anywhere else as the first, second, or third option. Championships spell lots of $$$$$$

    3. Morey and this organization recognize the opportunity to reward a player who is worth it for his loyalty. Even if they have to essentially "overpay" Parsons in the first couple years of a new deal they will only be making up for what Parsons should have made if he were a first round draft pick and as one of the top 10 players in his draft class. Right now, Parsons is at worst the 8th best player in his draft class and more realistically he's probably a top 5 player in his draft class.

    4. If we retain Parsons while acquiring our 3rd superstar player it puts us in a great position to win championships as an organization. If we lose Parsons while acquiring a 3rd superstar it leaves us with an obvious hole in our starting lineup that we will have to fill with an exception or trade for some mediocre player instead of holding that MLE for possibly Llull or some other significant upgrade at another spot.

    5. Kevin Love holds most of the cards here. If Love wants a certain team he will most likely be traded there. Love knows the end game too. He knows if the team he is traded to gives up an arm and a leg for him that it will hinder his opportunities to win a ring.

    For instance if Love chooses the Lakers as his only destiny that he will sign a new contract with then no team is going to be willing to put out their core to trade for him. (Just good business you know.) And if Love says he would like to play for the Rockets and he won't commit to anybody else...well guess what...that severely limits the trade market for him.

    For your information the trade market is already severely limited for Love because the Twolves took the course of trying to woo him to stay instead of trading him Deron Williams style. Love is going to be traded at a bargain price. We'll either get him for a bargain (Asik/Lin/Jones/DMo/picks/possibly Beverley) or we won't get him at all.

    This team is a preferred destination for top-notch free agents. If we don't get Love then we will have the cap space for somebody to be able to walk here next year.




    It's all business.


    We're not trading Parsons.

    We're not trading Parsons because it's a business and the business side of the equation says we should keep Parsons.
     
  10. duluth111222

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    If anything, the POR series showed our biggest weakness is the PF spot, and PG to a lesser extent. Add adding Love will solve that.
     
  11. Jontro

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    Then maybe we can lure The Bron the next off season.
     
  12. Carl Herrera

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    The Portland series showed that our biggest weakness is that our supposed "star" cannot be relied on to play like a star or to give adequate effort on defense.

    Given the importance of star players in this league, it is difficult to overcome this issue just by moving pieces around him.
     
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    The Portland series showed the necessity of having a great half-court offense. In the playoffs if there is a player on the floor with an obvious offensive weakness it will be exposed nine ways to Sunday as playoff teams work hardest to water down the offensive efficiency of their opponent's bread-and-butter plays. To counter that defensive style that we will see every year in the playoffs you have to have scoring options at each position, guys that can shoot it and finish it. It's just that simple.
     
  14. oogie boogie

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    I dont think trading Chandler for Love will solve anything.
     
  15. dobro1229

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    Come on dude. You're being very unfair here.

    -I do NOT think anyone here thinks that Parsons is the preferred "star" for Minnesota
    -I do NOT think anyone here thinks that the Rockets think its a good business decision to move Parsons.
    -I do NOT think anyone here thinks that Parsons thinks its a good business decision to walk away from a desirable location that has the ability to win a championship in the next couple years.

    Does anyone think that it was a good "business decision" for OKC to trade Harden? Does anyone think anyone in OKC including Harden wanted that to happen?.... but at the end of the day their backs were against the wall and they made a decision.... its the same type of "business decision" Morey, Parsons, and Parsons' agent might very well have to make for themselves.

    The question more or less revolves around... Will Parsons be forced to look at other teams in free agency anyways in the next few years regardless (That answer most likely is YES), and will the Rockets be forced to give up Parsons in a deal for Kevin Love... (and that answer is most likely Yes.... hopefully not, but you know how these things go).

    I think Morey will do everything in his power to keep Parsons off the table in ANY deal, and I think Parsons will do everything in his power to make sure his next contract is with the Rockets, but at the end of the day-

    -If its a decision between Kevin Love and Chandler Parsons its a better "business decision" for Morey to choose Kevin Love, and....
    -If its a decision between staying with Houston as a 4th or 5th best player, and making 5 to 7 million dollars a year vs. going to a competitive team with a larger role, and a near max contract... the better "business decision" might very well be to sign that offer sheet, see if the Rockets match, and be more than happy to live with the result if they do NOT match.
     
  16. Play07

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    I understand/respect your OPION

    1. but you have to also understand that parson is a business man, yes hes happy in Houston now but you think parsons wouldn’t go to a team like the lakers..., live in L.A, play in the staples center, enjoy the city, bigger market for more $$$, beaches to relax with his GF ? same thing goes for florida (Orlando Magic) like you said, he would be close to family and would play for his hometown and favorite team for more $$$$$ also he would leave.

    2. what has parsons done to get all this hype form Houston ? I understand harden not being included “all Star got the team back in playoffs? If we went to WCF finals or finals with parsons playing big then maybe I would consider a LARGE CONTRACT but he does nothing that puts this team over the edge to give us a clear advantage vs other contender teams in the west or does he ???????????

    3. It’s not even about putting a bid up for me really I would let him walk if it comes down to $10mill or anything higher I would take (ARIZA, M.Miller or PPAT, Brooks) any day with the money, that’s 3 SOLID 8-9 man rotations VS signing parsons a (SINGLE) Upgraded role player. I’m interested in VET PROVEN PLAYOFF depth and stars at the time, Parsons just doesn’t fit either one of those bills due to the contract he will demand in the near future. But this is me as if I’m the GM. We can’t continue with vet. Min role players if championship is the goal. Signing parsons to a large contract will be a big mistake.

    4. get your feelings over him and dwight its a game / business
     
  17. J.R.

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    Wolves temper Love trade rumors

     
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    Having a 4 who can score - especially from the outside - would make life so much easier for Harden (and Howard). Who can forget how the offense changed when we traded away both Morris and Patterson? I don't know if the stats will back up my point, but it really looked like we dropped off (or at least had to work harder) on offense after we traded those guys. Plus, Love's passing ability will no doubt make the ball less sticky!

    As far as defense, he obviously won't really help too much. But after seeing TJones on defense in the Portland series, I have to wonder if Love can play any worse than that. His defensive contribution will be as a defensive rebounder, which he was the best at in the NBA last year per game. Last year the Rockets were 20th in defensive rebounding percentage. And since our defense is obviously not very good, we need to at least get better at securing defensive rebounds.

    So I see him as helping us on both sides of the ball. He's the obvious piece to put alongside Harden and Howard. I think you do what you need to get him. Supporting players can be found to put around them more easily than can a power forward who can shoot, pass and rebound like Love can.
     
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    Stop acting as if you know everything pimpn. It is a good chance Parsons is traded for the services of Love. That is the nature of the BUSINESS.
     
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    1. No, Parsons won't be "forced" to look at other teams in free agency. If we trade for Love or some other superstar before June 30th (probably only about a 25% chance at this point) then he'll go through restricted free agency. He'll have a 5-year offer on the table from Morey already. Some other team will have to attempt to beat it with a 4-year deal.

    2. If we don't get a deal done for a 3rd superstar by June 30th, Morey is going to pick up his option for 2014-15 and Parsons will face unrestricted free agency in 2015. If this is the course then possibly a trade could occur at the trade deadline for our 3rd superstar (kinda unlikely). If that happens Morey will undoubtedly offer Parsons an extension for crazy money to attempt to avoid Parsons hitting free agency. However if Parsons goes to unrestricted free agency he's going to get offered 5 years and probably be overpaid by Morey. But he deserves it because he will have worked like a dog for 4 years on a minimum salary deal.

    Now Parsons COULD walk away if that happens. He could walk away. But if we've got Harden/Howard/other superstar.....he won't. Mark my words. He won't walk. And Morey will pay him big money. And most likely a bunch of posters here will be griping and bellyaching about Morey overpaying him. LOL
     
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