If Westbrook was in Houston you guys would say the opposite. If Harden possessed a quarter of brooks heart and intensity then i would change my mind. He plays like he has already achieved something and acts like a bum. Iv'e never been so bipolar about a player before. Im hoping he has a new mindset for next season or i wouldn't hesitate for him to be moved.
Durant won the MVP solely because Westbrook missed most of the season. With Westbrook out of the lineup, Durant was able to shine.
Durant had finished #2 in MVP multiple times playing with WB. Playing without WB gave him the "narrative" to win. Durant would have 2-3 MVPs right now if a guy named Lebron James (a top 3 player when he retires) didn't play. So no, Westbrook doesn't marginalize Durant. Stop making stuff up.
It didn't just give him the "narrative" to win, it gave him the "stats" to win as well. He had a career year without Westbrook around hogging the ball playing keep away. He might have 2-3 MVP's right now if not for being stuck on a team with a chucker pretending to be a point guard.
Durant is averaging 23 shots this postseason (THE MOST SHOT ATTEMPTS OF ANY PLAYER). He's averaging 31 points, 9 boards, 5 dimes this postseason. Again, what the hell are you talking about? Delusional fans stay delusional.
He had by far the best season of his career the year that Westbrook was missing most of the season....is that supposed to be a coincidence? Of course it is....Delusional fans stay delusional.
More FACT for you just b/c you are so delusional. Durant in March: 33/7/7 (24 shot attempts per game). Westbrook also played in March. Durant in April: 35/7/6 (21 shot attempts per game). Westbrook also played in April And now playoffs: 31/9/5 (23 shots attempts per game). Yes, Westbrook is marginalizing the MVP . I wish Dwight Howard was marginalizing Harden. Maybe Harden wouldn't suck balls in the first round.
Westbrook can hardly grow a mustache. Harden has the league's best beard. Hard to overlook these facts.
westbrooks eyes look eager and sex-c and our stars are sleeping 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Don't even see why this thread would get bumped right now. Not like Harden had a great night tonight and Westbrook sucked. There is a reason Houston didn't advance past the first round and a big reason is James Harden
Its not the number of shot attempts genius its the quality of shots you get. Without WB the ball goes to Durant, he can either make plays for others or set up his own shot via screens. When WB is in he massages the rock first looking for his shot before he throws it to KD, who has to make do with WBs sloppy seconds. If WB isn't marginalizing KD why did KD post his best stats when WB was away? There's no other explanation except WB is marginalizing Durant. This is the same reasoning defenders of star bury used to do, oh he has 5 assists a game hes a pg.
What the hell are you talking about? I posted the stats Durant posted in March/April: those are his best stats too? And those were WITH Westbrook. This is his best month without Westbrook: 35.9, 6.1, 6.1 on 55% shooting This is his March WITH Westbrook: 33.4, 7.7, 7.2 on 50% shooting This is his April WITH Westbrook: 34.5, 6.7, 5.9 on 51% shooting This is him v. the clips WITH Westbrook: 33.2, 9.5, 5.3 on 47% shooting You are freaking telling me WB marginalized him then too? And please don't use stats to categorize a player. Westbrook is an elite basketball player. He's not a PG nor SG nor anything. He's a basketball player that can score, rebound, pass, defend, hustle... Either a lot of you don't watch basketball. Or just watch post game shows where the media goes off on WB, just b/c they don't like to criticize Durant.
Didn't know exactly where this should go, but I figure here is good as any. http://cdn16.castfire.com/audio/303...b3d92330aadc066&referer=http://grantland.com/ Around the 46 minute mark or so, Zach Lowe and Kevin Arnovitz are talking about Westbrook and how his defense actually isn't very good at all and I believe they use the word bad to describe it. They talk about lots of gambling, too jumpy, terrible decision making and so on. Just thought it was interesting, because I always felt that while he did gamble a lot that his defense overall was well above average.
Upon further reflection, I bet there are some in OKC who wish they had kept Harden and let Westbrook walk. Both are amazing players with amazing down sides, but with Jackson developing I wonder.
So basically there's a 5% FG percentage dropoff when WB plays? Isn't he supposed to make KD's life easier? Why does KD's FG drop then? Please remember that WB makes the max, when he is out KD's stats/efficiency is supposed to tank because he becomes the sole target of the opponent's offense and the OKC team just lost a 20M-level talent. Instead we actually have KD's efficiency increasing when WB sits, this tells me if KD actually had someone who wasn't a ball hog or had a real pg making plays all the time he would be posting better stats. If he KD scores at 55% when WB is out and scores 47-51% when WB is in then there is something wrong. All you're really doing is looking at the raw stats like ppg and then making silly arguments, like I said the Starbury supporters before also did the same thing they looked at his assist numbers and said he wasn't a ball hog. Ball positions can be blurred but the whatever your role is there is supposed to be one guy setting up the team offense. As the "point guard" WB is SUPPOSED to do that but instead he goes around looking for his shot trying to pump up his stats in the guise of "winning". Look at Tony Parker, the guy is a much better scorer than WB but you don't hear any talks about him being selfish or taking shots away from Manu and TD. That's ebcause Parker is a real pg who knows how to set up the offense, WB is really just an undersized SG taking advantage of the poor defenders at the pg position.
