Not entirely pure and good. Every character is a different shade of gray with none being pure white or black. She's still power hungry, jumping from king to king to king in an effort to become Queen. Was willing to marry Joffrey for power. And while she didn't play a part in Joff's death, she seems OK with it. She's a manipulator, just not in the way that Cersei is. I'm sure she feels some guilt, but it's over Tyrion taking the blame and not her grandmother murdering the king. And it's not like she's moral enough to put a stop to the trial. Her father is one of the judges. She could go to Mace Tyrell, tell him that it was his mother that poisoned Joff (if he doesn't already know) and that Tyrion is innocent and implore him to find Tyrion not guilty. But that's not going to happen because then suspicion might get cast somewhere else. And if a Tyrell helped free Tyrion, Cersei might nix the marriage of Tommen to Margaery. Becoming Queen being her #1 priority, she's not going to jeopardize that. She's a better person than a lot of people on the show, but she's hardly she's hardly the sweet, innocent young woman she purports herself to be.
Spoiler Im not trying to be a book spoiler or throwing it up in your face, I am only telling you how it transpired in the book. The show deviates quite a lot, and when shows deviate, they create plot holes. The Free Cities are much more glamorous in the show than they are in the books. And if I recall correctly, I do not think Tyrion offered her a nice severance pay to leave (bag of diamonds), but I could be incorrect on that one. I don't know how the show will eventually explain it, or if they ever do, but in the end, she was just a w**** selling out to the highest bidder. Just like Bronn. Another example is Margaery knowing Tyrion really didn't kill Joffrey. In the books, that wasn't the case. Margaery simply could not jump up and save Tyrion or else that changes the outcoming of the whole show. The point being is that there will be more incidents that can't be explained due to deviations and keeping the story intact. Don't get pissy when a book reader explains why something happened and yell at them for spoiling.
Again, you're a book reader, you belong in the other thread. Why are you posting here? A lot of us couldn't give a **** what happens in the book. Come on man.
Pissy? I was pointing out that the argument that she was being sent to the Middle East as if it was a punishment doesn't jive with what we see on screen. I don't think anyone in this thread wants you tell us how it "transpired in the book." But I didn't get pissy or yell at you. I was joking about the cities being extravagant. Like I said in the other thread, I don't get why anyone would rather live in Westeros than live in Braavos. Place looks awesome. The rest of your post has spoilers.
I think what Book Readers struggle with is that they see the show as a tv portrayal of their canonical books. For tv viewers there is a decision not to worry about the books. Example, I started reading the books and then chose to quit. I prefer the tv show up to where I quit reading and have no desire to mingle the two. For me the story is what is being told on the tv show. If I ask a question about why something is shown on tv, I don't care about an answer that tells me about some details in the books that are different and that's why. I don't care about the books! Edit: To summarize, this thread is about a tv show and Book Readers see it as a tv adaptation of their book.
Maybe we need a new thread... "[GOT] Book readers discussion/complaints about TV show Season 4." I agree that having book readers come in here to explain things using book knowledge, or even post their own "theories" (which really aren't theories) is not needed.
Space Ghost didn't even say anything. The kind of paranoia exhibited by some people is ridiculous. Now, if he dropped the little tidbit about how Ned Stark is brought back to life as a talking dragon that befriends all those on Westeros and fights the White Walkers, that would be bad.
Not really a spoiler (and a very minor one at that) now since the show did something different, but whatever, in the books: Spoiler Tyrion tried to marry Shae off to a hedge knight in an attempt to deflect suspicion that she was his w****, or at least was planning to when he was arrested. I think the show is making it appear, at least to a degree, that she's doing this because he shunned her. That she really did love him. But when he sent her away in an effort to protect her, he didn't just send her away. He verbally berated her and called her "nothing but a w****" in an attempt to make her WANT to leave. She took it personally. When (presumably) Cersei finds her and asks her (pays her) to testify, Shae decides that if Tyrion thinks her to be nothing but a w****, then she's going to act like it. She'll take the money and whatever else Cersei might be offering and do exactly as she's told. Now it could be that she was just a pure w**** all along and never cared for Tyrion in the least, but I find the above more interesting and that's what I think the show runners were trying to do. That she lies not just because somebody paid her to do so, but also to exact some revenge for Tyrion rejecting her.
I wasn't referring to you as being pissy. I was referring to others who asked a question because they were confused. From here on out, I will no longer clarify when a question is asked. The poster can sit there confused.
So . . . this thread should be retitled. . . IF YOU READ THE BOOK YOU ARE BANNED FROM HERE? see them as two different things. I see theories. . . where I think . . .this person OBVIOUSLY read the book yet .. . want to act like they are Sherlock Holmes and got it from the context clues. I simply smile and move forward As for Shae . .. i dunno if it is bad acting or my interpretation she was always a w**** she seemed often trying to manipulate Tyrion more than love him so . . . when she did what whores do . . . .i was not overly shocked so I found it strange that someone would dismiss her betrayal as something that only a book reader would know . . . .. Rocket River . . . strange strange thread . . .with stranger divergence.
Damn you GRRM! I didn't know you were a Rockets fan. Quit spoiling your own show! BTW, that must happen in book 8?
You guys are bringing this thread down. If you've read the books, why ARE you posting in this thread rather than the other? If an exclusive show watcher asks a question, he/she is looking for an answer from a fellow show watcher only. Perhaps someone else picked up on something that they hadn't. We're not looking for "Well, in the book _______" answers. Get that through your damn skulls.
I don't see why people that have read the books can't post here as long as they avoid spoilers. And some of the questions that are asked can be explained based on the history that's been explained better in the books but skipped over in the show. Is posting filler from the second book really considered a spoiler? Some people may want to know that sort of thing. I do think anybody that has read the books should be extra careful about what they write. Even vague references to stuff can give hints to what will or won't happen.
