1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Hi McHale, Did you watch how spurs defeated the blazers?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tangwentao, May 7, 2014.

  1. val_modus

    val_modus Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2010
    Messages:
    1,792
    Likes Received:
    289
    IDK about that one man. Morey has put out two of the most talented players at their position in the NBA and a cast of good players around them derived from his ability to pull strings and make a cascade of events happen to land you another superstar if need be. Not his fault that injuries (Tmac, Yao, Artest) and horrid playoff time (and by playoff time I mean a coach has to have the ability to adjust, inspire, and WIN) coach. Morey I hope, as well as most of the knowledgeable basketball fans in the forum, will be with us a while longer.
     
  2. Rockets12

    Rockets12 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2011
    Messages:
    4,910
    Likes Received:
    634
    You know, no one is forcing you to stay here.

    With regards to your Lin to Parker comparison: I just find it funny how you downplay how Parker has preformed because of his team. So basically Linsanity is better because he did it with scrubs, while all Parker has done is perform at a high level basically his entire career, but it doesn't matter that much because he had a great team. Got it.
     
  3. Aleron

    Aleron Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,685
    Likes Received:
    1,113
    Asik tried, and was called for a foul....repeatedly
     
  4. fluors

    fluors Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2014
    Messages:
    133
    Likes Received:
    15
    No argument here. Pop and experience are two of the main reasons the Spurs are up 2-0 on the Blazers. But I do not agree that a team/players regular season performance is an irrelevant indicator of post-season performance. A great defender during the regular season is more often than not also a great defender in the post season. A poor defender during the regular season is more often than not also a poor defender in the playoffs. I was going to post Regular and Post Season Defensive stats for comparison but couldn't find them. I couldn't find 2013-2014 Post Season RPM and xRAPM stats. I doubt RPM and xRAPM post season stats even exist given the formula and basis set from which the data is calculated. Another reason is that the Portland vs Spurs series is ongoing so I couldn't even compare the Post Season DRTgs for the Rockets, Spurs, and Trailblazers. However, I can provide the Houston Rockets 2013-2014 Post Season DRTg stats (obviously derived solely from the Portland series). That data is available from nba.com and is provided below. See http://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.ht...=Advanced&PerMode=PerGame&SeasonType=Playoffs. I posted the numbers below. Right now, this is the only available Houston Rocket 2013-2014 Post Season Defensive data set that I am aware of. I will give you this. The Rockets 2013-2014 Post Season DRTg numbers (for those six games against Portland) is different from the Regular Season DRTg but remember the Post Season DRTG data set is much smaller.

    Player--------------DRTG (Rockets vs Trailblazers (2013-2014)):
    Jeremy Lin-----------108.0
    Troy Daniels---------110.5
    Terrence Jones------111.2
    Omer Asik-----------112.0
    James Harden-------112.5
    Patrick Beverley-----112.6
    Chandler Parsons----112.8
    Dwight Howard------112.9
    Team Average-------111.8
     
  5. aurocketfan

    aurocketfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2,848
    Likes Received:
    659
    Wow..Lin ranks 1st? Is this real world?
     
  6. JLFan

    JLFan Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2013
    Messages:
    493
    Likes Received:
    13
    Lin was one of the few players that actually hustled and showed he wanted to win in the playoffs at least on the defensive end. I can't say that about a few people *cough* Beard, *cough* Parso...
    But I understand they were tired and McHale just put them in all game with tons of minutes and no one had any clue of defensive sets. You can clearly tell this is the fault of the coach, no one is responsible it's a fight for your minutes type scenario for everyone else.
    When your bench players barely if ever touch the ball or even play, no one really cares at this point.
    Look at how many bench players actually played and who actually touched the ball.

    Look at the game stats last game, with the Spurs EVERYONE played, 27 assists, 8 TOs, no one played more than 34 minutes, no one had more than 20 shots and lots of defensive hustle.

    Compare to Portland, 15 assists, 2 people jacking up 20+ shots, 8 BA, just no ball movement and terrible defense.

    Let's look at a Superstar based team - OKC, even they had 26 assists, ONLY Durant had 20+ shots, out rebounded Clippers +11, no one shot more than five 3pt fga, 10 players played, both CP3 and WB had +13 assists.

    Let's look at the Rockets, 8 players, Beverly only had 4 shots, Asik 2 shots, Parsons/Harden/Howard/Lin had 15+ shots. Lin had Harden had 6 3pt FGA, with Lin going 1/6, 15 TOs and tons of missed FTs.

    Look at Indiana, they shot worse than the Rockets and held the Wizards to 63 points on pure defense, if the Rockets are trying to win a ring they first need to mimic the great teams now and play great defense. Tell me one team in the top 5 that has terrible defense like the Rockets. Morey wake up and fire McHale and trade Lin!
     
  7. ginia1110

    ginia1110 Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2014
    Messages:
    90
    Likes Received:
    2
    Morey has to stay with the team.
    Mchale has to go spend his remaining 10 years with his family.
     
  8. Aleron

    Aleron Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,685
    Likes Received:
    1,113
    Saying look at San Antonio is stupid, their offense is engineered around maximising Tony Parker and to a lesser extent these days Tim Duncan (it was the opposite 4 years ago), every player they recruit is to suit that. The problem in our offense seems to be more about decision making than coaching which should at least come with experience, players disappearing into their shell, or even further, up their own ass, but the offense isn't the problem.

    It's the mistakes, Mchale had 2 opportunities to make a decision to win a game, games 4 and 6 and nothing, but this isn't new, he made the same mistakes in the regular season.
     
  9. Rockets12

    Rockets12 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2011
    Messages:
    4,910
    Likes Received:
    634
    I wonder what the difference between DRTG from the NBA site and from basketball reference. The latter has different/worse results (in bold next to the NBA stats)
     
  10. ginia1110

    ginia1110 Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2014
    Messages:
    90
    Likes Received:
    2
    Hm, I honestly don't think injury was one major reason why we lost to the Blazers, we just suck playing defense. Anyway, it didn't look like anybody suffered from one, and it would've come out, right? Like how we know PBev was sick.

    I'm still puzzled at how they couldn't turn his temperature down though, how many days was it? It felt like it ran for more than a week. Geez. I mean if it was just a plain case of fever & flu, the natural course would take 2-4 days, depends on the person and care he's being given, but that shouldn't have been a problem for him right? Since they have a bunch of staff on payroll to take care of him and send him to a hospital, etc. Also, there's a lot of I.V. medication that can lower it for a few hours (4 hrs max). The first hour he might feel lethargic but he'd regain some of his strength later on and would be able to play for at least 2hrs, before his fever returns.

    If there was inflammation on his knee (was that where he was previously injured?) or bacterial infection, then that's another issue, it would've explain why the fever wont go away after 2-4 days. For it to run a week is very suspicious. Did anyone notice if he was limping during playoffs? I just saw him sluggishly play though, so totally unlike him. And we really needed Bev that time to slow down Damian. Damn.
     
  11. beastlyball

    beastlyball Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2012
    Messages:
    350
    Likes Received:
    22
    If he does, its not working.
     
  12. langal

    langal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2004
    Messages:
    3,824
    Likes Received:
    91
    Some of the "real fans" here don't understand this. They want nothing but iso-Harden, Harden - Howard pnr, and Howard post ups. The rest of the guys should just stand still behind the 3 point line - because it is the most efficient shot.
     
  13. Panda23

    Panda23 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2012
    Messages:
    8,566
    Likes Received:
    620
    mchale why u no have all time great trio play together for 15 yrs mchale pls
     
  14. aurocketfan

    aurocketfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2,848
    Likes Received:
    659
    Bev at full strength wouldn't have made a difference. lillard and LMA were playing out of their minds against us.

    Anyways, coaching and defense lost us this series. Good wake up call for us though.
     
  15. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    I.e., you're just making stuff up and stating it as fact? Oh.
     
  16. jordnnnn

    jordnnnn Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    11,410
    Likes Received:
    12,647
    I can't decide if I'm surprised or not that there are people who still believe this.

    It's not McHales "theory" it's an analytical decision made by Morey.

    Furthermore the decision is based on the personnel that we have on the team. If we had Parker or Dirk or LMA, hell anyone who hits the mid range at an elite rate, they would be more than welcome to do so, but we don't. It's not that difficult to grasp.
     
  17. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    Do not understand why this is so hard to comprehend.
     
  18. cheke64

    cheke64 Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,760
    Likes Received:
    17,684
    So only superstars can shoot midrange?
     
  19. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    I'm pretty sure he said guys who shoot midrange at a high clip. IIRC, Morey flatout said he would be OK with midrange shots from a guy who makes them at a high percentage.
     
  20. cheke64

    cheke64 Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,760
    Likes Received:
    17,684
    We are dead last at running screens. We play iso ball. Why is Morey calling the shots? I want him to be our coach next season since the game is so analytical correct.
     

Share This Page