I'm hoping you're right. But the Texans could be waiting to see if they can land a quarterback in the draft today before they make a decision to trade.
The price the texans are willing to pay for their qb, is the value they place on the position, which is NOT MUCH. You can rationalize it all you want, but at the end of the day, this is the reality of it. I am not privy to the texans war room, and I am certain that the texans are obviously going to play this off as them being judicious and considered with the value they place on their picks, which is playing well on these boards, and therefore we are never going to know the REAL truth. However, one way to look at it is that the texans got their ass handed to them at the bottom of the first round, when they were hoping to get bridgewater, and at the bottom of the second round when they assumed Jimmy Garoppolo was going to be there at the top of the 3rd round. Again, the texans thought that they could wait it out and still get Garoppolo as a consolation prize. This to me is a lack of self awareness about your team, if you KNOW you need a qb you get it done, you don't get sniped. I will admit that taking Clowney was a conscious and considered decision (even though Blake Bortles would have had a bigger impact on the team).
^ Bortles is solid, but he wouldn't make a bigger impact than Clowney. As far as the QB situation, we have two guys that we can feel marginally comfortable with putting out there with KK and Fitz, we still need to draft another but we have other needs and there's hasn't been anyone worth taking aver other needs yet. I'm hoping we go with McCarron to start the day out today, but my guess is our future QB isn't in this draft.
Vegas doesn't think so. A qb can move the line 9.5 points. The best defensive player can only move it 1.5 points. Again, Clowney might be the next superstar defensive player, but vegas won't care that much.
You play the hand you are dealt. so even if the conjecture above were fact, I still would give them an A for adaptability at this point. To that end, we didn't reach for a QB or feel the need to trade up for one. Yet we were willing to trade up for a potential stud NT. This tells me the grade on this drafts QBs didn't merit a pick.
That has nothing to do with Bortles though. Bortles will most likely be a crappy NFL QB. Strange ascension to the top of the boards where he gets picked by NFL purgatory Jaguars. The Texans really really need a franchise QB. That doesn't exist in this draft or in Mallett.
Year one I believe Clowney will be a bigger impact player than Blake (because Blake won't play). Year two and beyond could be a different story.
My two cents: Plan A was to snag Bortles if he was there at 33. Jacksonville messed that one up. Plan B was to grab Garoppolo at 65. NE messed that on up. Plan C is Ryan Fitzpatrick (gag). Mallett would be a disaster on the field and PR wise. Outside possibility may an attempt to go get Matt McGloin.
The argument is so compelling when you live in a make believe world where you dream up the Texans' thoughts and actions. You personally don't have the first clue as to who they wanted, who they didn't, and what value they're putting on positions, picks, or players.
That's fine. But you can't just draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB. As great an impact as a big time QB makes, a bad QB makes a bigger impact, negatively. Wether or not Bortles pans out, Clowney will make a bigger impact in the near future. If Bortles turns out to be Big Ben, then you have a point. Personally, I would've liked to see us trade up for Johnny. Since that didn't happen, there's only two other QBs I'm high on. Carr, he's gone. And McCarron. I think if we draft McCarron, we get out with a great draft. Come offseason have a 3 man QB battle. I think Fitz wins it, but McCarron takes over during the season. If he works out, then great we have our QB. If not, regroup and get a QB next year. Draft, FA, trade idc.
On the one hand I have no idea AT ALL what the texans draft board looked like, but on the other hand I'm just going to rip them up. Give me a break. Everyone and their mother knew Seattle was desperate to get rid of that 1st round pick, if the Texans had any kind of grade on Bridgewater where they thought he was the guy then they would have done something to make it happen. This is from someone who wanted teddy. It's convenient to put your thoughts into their heads and believe they ****ed up but that seems really stretching it.
Seriously doubt Bortles would have made it out of the top 10. If the Jags hadn't of picked him up another team probably would have. But if waiting for Bortles to fall to pick #33 was their plan A _ that would have been a terrible plan.
The Texans, by drafting Clowney, essentially have said that they don't believe Manziel, Bortles, or Bridgewater aren't going to pan out. We shall see.
Or simply their risk was too great to take a chance on at #1. I agree. However, I would have tried to move up to take Manziel or Bridgewater in the first.
You contradict yourself by saying you aren't privy to their war room, yet you are certain they wanted Bridgewater or Garoppolo. You either know what their thinking is/was or you don't. I am fairly certain, the vast majority of people not is board do not know what their intentions were.
Maybe avoiding the risk of the backlash they would face of going against the consensus #1 pick in the eyes of the media and fans. But it won't matter if any of those quarterbacks pan out if the Texans win games and make the playoffs. But if they don't win and Blake turns out to be good and Jacksonville has success with him _ O'Brien will be sick.... The Texans have Clowney's old strength coach on their staff but they also have a coach on the staff who use to work with Blake in college as well. I think Blake was a serious target for them considering the ties O'Brien has with his college head coach. And especially after what was reported O'Brien said during Blake's pro day... "I've seen all I need to see." And if Johnny works out in Cleveland people around here will go ape 5h1t crazy and same for the Teddy fans. But he may be really high on Mallet as well. We just have to wait to see how things turn out before we will know if the right or wrong decisions were made.
I only contradict myself if you take everything I said as absolutes and in a vacuum, which is usually what happens on this board. I am not trying to say you are dumb, but MOST people seem to view things in very black or white terms. Here is a flow chart to what I am saying: Basically it is a graduated statement. In which, (a) I don't know what their intentions were, BUT (emphasis here) what follows (b): is my best guess as to what happened. I am also making an overall statement that says basically, that even if the texans came away with who they wanted, it gives you some insight into the value they seem to place on the qb spot.
I don't think that this is what they are saying at all. In the last 10 drafts, the only qb I see the texans would have taken is Andrew Luck. The other thing I'll say is that if the texans REALLY feel that the top qbs on the board were duds, then they BETTER not take a qb ANYWHERE in this draft. Otherwise they are contradicting themselves. If they take AJ, to me they are saying that we don't value our qb and we'll roll with a subpar player in the draft to prove our point. Anyway you look at it, the texans draft, after clowney, doesn't make sense in any world but theirs.
