I have seen a lot of people speculate the Rockets could get Millsap for Asik. That is never going to happen. Millsap is a two-way player and an all star, while Asik brings nothing to the table offensively. People need to be more realistic on what Asik would be able to bring us. Let's look at a solid center who was traded recently and see what they netted. Kosta Koufos is not a household name, but he's a pretty respectable 7 foot defensive center. He is not the defensive rebounder that Asik is, but he's a better shot blocker and offensive rebounder. Like Asik, his offense is limited to around the basket. Unlike Asik, Koufos is only paid only $3M a year. Last year, Koufos was traded by Denver to Memphis for forward Darrell Arthur and the rights to the 55th pick Joffrey Lauvergne. Given that, how can anyone argue that Asik will bring in a big fish like Millsap? It's ridiculous!
Do you feel Millsap is a better fit around Horford than Asik? Horford certainly begs to differ, in fact he picked Asik by name. Eventually they're going to need to give up on playing Horford at center, he doesn't like it, and he doesn't want to, however I don't think their owner wants to pay the poison pill.
Asik has the unique ability to both eat up a ton of space in the paint as well as move his feet on the perimeter. He's likely one of the top defensive anchors not named Noah, Gasol, or Howard. That said, I think Millsap's value is really really high right now after the Hawks really took it to the Pacers. It might be tough to swing that without sending another piece ala Jones or Montiejunas.
It's not about just fit - it's about market value. You are not going to trade your sports car for a Honda Civic just because you have a long commute to work & need better gas mileage. Millsap is worth more than Asik on the open market. Also, I don't think Jones or D-Mo have that much value on the open market.
They will probably ask for Asik and Parsons for him. Even that is unlikely because of Horford's injury history.
That would be reasonable. Just want to clarify - I was referring to an Asik for Millsap straight up deal. I'm sure a package with Asik & other valuable pieces (emphasis on valuable) could be put together to get it done.
This. I'd be willing to go Asik and Jones for Millsap....Parsons would be a little too much IMO. I do agree Asik for Millsap straight up will never happen but I don't think we would need to sweeten the deal that much (parsons). Our #1 this year could also be used but I'd prefer to save that to upgrade the PG position. I'd love to see Lowry back here. If Tor were at risk of losing him for nothing maybe they would agree to a Lin, D-Mo, 14 #1, and Euro prospect for Lowry S&T. That may be another pipe dream though.
Remember that both Millsap and Asik`s deals are only for 1 more season. If we want Millsap, we probably can sign him 2015 (if we don`t get a star before and are out of capspace). Atlanta might want to get a real center (one thing Horford is asking for for years). I don`t think they can bank on Millsap staying - of course they can also not bank on Asik staying. But I also believe, the way Millsap played for them this season, they wouldn`t do that trade. Pipedream is a strong word though. Asik and Moti may be able to do it for example.
The Rockets are not going to trade Asik and Parsons for a 6' 6" Power Forward. That seems absolutely ridiculous. However, I do agree that Atlanta is unlikely to trade Millsap for Asik straight up. I could see the Rockets offering to throw in DMo to make the trade work.
I remember Bill Simmons touching on this and saying neither team feels a 1 for 1 trade is fair, so would likely never agree on a price. Things like "Atlanta are high on Millsap" isn't a reason to up your bid, that's just dumb, it's a reason why a deal might not take shape though, Asik has played pretty damn well in 2 playoff series for us, and he was no slouch in Chicago, so it's not like we're trading a lemon here.
I never meant to imply that the Rockets would do that, or should do that. I think Atlanta will play hard ball with DM.
Jones is a 22 year old, second year player, that has only played a a total of 95 games in his career so far. This season in 76 games he averaged roughly 12 points, 7 rebounds and about 1 assist, steal and block each, all in 28 minutes and 54% shooting. Those are very solid number for such a young inexperienced player, who started on the 4th seed Rockets in the west. He has lots of potential, and is a very versatile player and has a strong nba body. I don't see how Jones couldn't have some real value to him, especially on his rookie contact. I think Asik, Jones and a first RD pick would be close to enough for that sports car.
Asik, T.Jones and cash for Millsap Parsons, Lin, D-Mo, 1st rd pick for Rondo MLE to Shawn Marion, Granger, or Ariza; Vet. minimum to Elton Brand I'm still angry that we got beat by a less talented team (who worked harder defensively than us). It's hard to envision trading 4 rotation players away, but I think losing in the first round shows that we are still far away from championship contention and Morey is going to do everything he can to take advantage of Dwight's window. I want Rondo and the toughness he brings. He'll strengthen our defensive mentality and help break us out of offensive funks with his play-making skills. Millsap helps offset his lack of shooting. PG: Rondo, Beverly, Canaan SG: Harden, Daniels SF: Marion (or FA), Daniels PF: Millsap, Brand C: Howard
Rumor has it, the Hawks are going to look to sign Greg Monroe come July. I dont know what that means for Millsap or Horford but I'd be shocked if they signed Monroe and kept the other two guys. With Antic, Horford, and potentially Monroe, I dont see them trading Millsap for Asik. I'd think they would trade either Millsap or Horford for an elite wing, or to move into the top 10 of this years draft. Maybe they would entertain Lin/Parsons for Millsap or Horford, but I dunno if Morey would make that type of deal right now. You are sort of robbing Peter (losing your starting SF, and a 6th man scorer) to pay Paul (get clear start cut starter at PF).
Koufas isn't anywhere near the player Asik is. Milsap's value has to be higher than it was a year ago, which is why straight up won't happen.
Horford would be the one driving any Milsap/Asik discussions. If it were doable and cost 'just' OA + TJo I'm on board. If I have to add the 1st?
"isn't anywhere near"?? I did not say they were the same player, but show me how they aren't somewhat comparable. You probably were one of the people who said Robin Lopez was a bum. Koufos was the starting center for Denver in 2013, beating out two centers who have started entire seasons in the NBA - Mozgov and McGee. Look at the numbers. Koufos is legit. And his pricetag was only $3 million.
strong NBA body? I don't know if LMA agrees with that. And if he's so good, why do you think we need an upgrade? If we need an upgrade from him, why would another playoff team desire him? I'm not saying Jones is the worst. I just don't think you can get an All Star by just adding more players to your offer. NBA trades are about quality of players not quantity.
