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Trade Harden or get rid of McHale?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dachuda86, May 5, 2014.

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Trade Harden or fire McHale?

Poll closed May 10, 2014.
  1. Fire Mchale

    199 vote(s)
    87.7%
  2. Trade Harden

    47 vote(s)
    20.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

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    Which sounds more appealing if you could choose one of the series' scapegoats to rid ourselves of.
     
  2. photojoe

    photojoe Member

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    We aren't going to trade Harden.
    The Rockets have already said McHale will be back next season.
     
  3. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

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    I didn't ask about what the organization is doing. I asked what YOU would do.
     
  4. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Ah yes, the old "sell low" trick on a basketball player who's had a bad run.

    Please let someone else invest for your retirement. ;)
     
  5. KlutchQT

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    Tough choice for Lin fans.
     
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  6. Indaface

    Indaface Member

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    If there was an option C - get rid of both I guarantee it would crush the other 2
     
  7. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

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    I didn't say sell immediately lol
     
  8. dobro1229

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    Im not even going to vote cause the question is a joke.

    Harden isn't going anywhere(its idiotic to even bring it up honestly), and the front office has reasons(agree with them or not) to keep McHale despite him being a bottom 5 NBA coach from a strategy standpoint, and they are almost certainly going to bring in a top notch lead assistant to replace Sampson.

    I think some people are here simply need therapy. Any catharsis you get from McHale getting fired would be short lived as 99% of you would despise the next coach of the Rockets anyways.

    Go shopping, run a 5K, shoot guns(at a range), go to a concert, or whatever makes you feel better. Obsessing over McHale & formerly Kubiac isn't going to make things better for your lives. Lets move on.
     
  9. dachuda86

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    Hey friend, play nice. Don't need to go calling everything you don't agree with idiotic. Switching coaches makes a lot of sense, and whatever strategy they are using, didn't work. Do standing pat really doesn't make a lot of sense if you want to chalk it up to "we need a new assistant coach." I asked what YOU would do. So, with that in mind, what would you do if none of the above this coming year that would get us closer to a ring?
     
  10. Aleron

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    Here's hoping Harden makes it a me or him scenario, go on Beard, do us a CP3, and your lazy defense will be forgiven for now.
     
  11. dachuda86

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    That's not a bad idea. Dwight wouldn't want to be seen as a coach killer, so it would have to be Harden.
     
  12. saleem

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    I would move McHale, and look for a better player in exchange for Harden.
    If that is not possible, I would add a swingman to help Harden and Parsons out( provided if Parsons is here too).
     
  13. d12babymamas

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    Players like Harden are very hard to come by...as for coaches..well
     
  14. dobro1229

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    Sorry.... no offense but trading Harden or even suggesting it.... yeah... its pretty idiotic, stupid, dumb... whatever you want to call it.

    But the point of the thread is pretty transparent since I know nobody is dumb enough to think that trading Harden is actually a rational idea. This is thread is all about McHale which leads me to wonder why you didn't just come out and say it.


    What I would do???

    -Obviously, you take everything into consideration, but you guys are thinking about this all wrong.

    Firing McHale doesn't mean firing McHale... it means bringing in a big name coach who will impose and change the system, and will change the dynamic in the locker room. Maybe for the better, but there is risk in bringing in that much change to a situation that really doesn't need that much change. It just needs to get better at certain things here and there.

    There are also reasons that I'm sure none of us know about going on behind closed doors that we can only speculate about. Could be the requests of Dwight and Harden, could be that there is a coach who will be out of his contract next Summer that they have their eye on, or it could just be that all of the coaches they were looking at had more cons than pro's when they weighed their options.

    There isn't a great answer to your question of fire or to not fire. The answer for this team isn't to rotate coaches every 2 years. Its to simply GET BETTER at what they already do, and get better defensively. If you have to switch coaches to get to that point than I'm sure Morey & Les will eventually do that, but obviously they put some thought into knowing they would piss off the fans and ultimately choosing probably the safer gamble on this team & the coaches improving.

    McHale can improve. Especially with better coaching minds around him defensively. We saw in this series that he made good adjustments, but just made them 2 games too late. He will be judged on "The Final Play" sure, but if you look at the tape, Beverley and Parsons switched when they really weren't instructed to begin with. If you had a healthy Beverley ball hawking Lillard you might get a completely different outcome to the game, and series.
     
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  15. count_dough-ku

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    Is this a serious thread? We're not trading Harden. He's one of the top scorers in the league and is only 24 years old. He sucks on defense because he refuses to play any and has a coaching staff that enables his bad behavior. That can be remedied, but it won't be for at least another year thanks to Morey bringing back McHale.

    So if you're asking who should go, that's a no-brainer. McHale in a heartbeat.
     
  16. dachuda86

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    Actually trading Harden makes a lot of sense considering he doesn't show up in the playoffs.

    And you yourself admitted we have a bottom five coach, so common.
     
  17. JLOBABYDADDY

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    Trading Harden gets you nothing. You need a Durant/Melo/Lebron type. And Harden alone gets you niether
     
  18. MONON

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    I'd get rid of the refs. If it weren't for the NBA acknowledged missed calls at the end of regulation & ot, we'd win the series in 5!
     
  19. count_dough-ku

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    You lost me here. I don't see how McHale can improve as a coach at this stage of his career. He's been doing this for 5 seasons now(the first 3 were partial seasons, but that's still a long time). He's never been good at X's and O's or in-game adjustments. That's not going to change. His teams have never been very good defensively. That's not going to change. And he has yet to have any sort of success in the postseason. That could change, but it requires a solid defense and the ability to adapt to what your opponent is doing during playoff games(i.e. LaMarcus Aldridge going off for 40+). Again, I don't see why this is suddenly going to fix itself just because McHale spends another year on the sidelines.

    Shoot, you basically indicted McHale without realizing it. He made adjustments, but 2 games late. Well, those 2 games were the difference in the series considering we lost 4-2. And if Bev and Parsons switched when they weren't supposed to, doesn't that reflect poorly on the coach? Isn't the entire purpose of a timeout for McHale to instruct his players on what to do in the very next possession?
     
  20. dobro1229

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    That's bull-S&%$.

    Obviously you didn't follow the 2012 playoffs-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6_KYulzT4M

    Harden was the key facilitator & arguably the best player on the floor for the entire playoffs until the Heat decided to put Lebron James on Harden and take him out of the series.

    With all the attention they were putting on Harden, its a shock that more people don't blame Durant and Westbrook. Obviously those two guys could score, but Harden facilitating in the playoffs was the reason why they were able to get to the finals in the first place.

    Harden doesn't show up in the playoffs.... one of the stupidest things I've heard around here in a long time.

    Lebron James (2011 Finals), Kevin Durant (1st round vs. Grizzlies), have all had their moments in the playoffs and taken their fare share of criticism as well. If Harden is in the same class as those two guys I think he's going to end up being ok.

    So yes... trading Harden is STUPID.

    No... you are modulating the point of what I was saying. We have a top 5 offense, and a top 10 defense during the regular season (before Sampson left). Changing the coach (especially bringing in a big name coach) means changing that system that this team has had so much success with this year. Changing that system = risk.

    That's what I'm getting at. McHale sucks as an X's and O's coach... yes... I get it, but the SYSTEM does not obviously.

    You guys still dont get it. Eventually if this team doesn't take a step forward... yes they will have to change the coach & probably the system... However right now obviously they are making the decision thinking that the team will not plateau this next year, and can actually take another step forward.

    I dont think McHale is a good coach, but if you add in another coach like Sampson, I do believe the Rockets have a good COACHING STAFF and a SYSTEM that works well for the talent they have.
     

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