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Another terrible jobs number

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Sep 7, 2012.

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  1. bongman

    bongman Member

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    I can't really argue whether that is true or not without stats but 'technically', companies are not suppose to be able to do that. Immigration has some strict requirements fo H-1B visas where it is only given to people with specialty skills, meaning there is a lack of that skill set in the US. The second requirement is that the person being approved for the visa has to be paid to average going rate of the skill set. I am not saying companies are able to get around this but the rules are straight forward...

    http://www.uscis.gov/eir/visa-guide/h-1b-specialty-occupation/understanding-h-1b-requirements
     
  2. IBTL

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    I wish your idealistic view was the reality.

    You should see the software company I worked in Houston. They hire most of their people from overseas because they can offer them less and work them longer/harder. All the visa guys are piled into 1 apartment working 7AM -10PM worried they will be sent home to india,colombia,mexico etc .

    They are basically purchasing slave labor and could give 2 shi**ts about the law or ethics. They are masters at skirting the law and its sickening.

    Why would they hire you if they can get same skill (albeit it broken english)for half the price and work as slave 7AM-10PM no weekends?
     
  3. bongman

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    It's not really an idealistic view on my part. Was just stating what the rules are.

    I also work in the IT industry and I completely understand where you are coming from. Eventually, just like the medical industry, the number of H1-B visas for high tech positions will be limited by INS.

    As an example, if you've recently been to a hospital, I am sure you might have noticed the number of filipino nurses working there. The influx of these immigrants started way back with just H1-B visas. Then hospitals started petitioning them for permanent residency visas (not just work permits) which caused the hiring of nurses from the Philippines to explode. Immigration noticed this, saw that the market was saturated and no new nurses who filed for visas prior to 2004 has been able to migrate to the states since then. Immigration is not entertaining any nurse applicants since then.
     
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    http://www.latimes.com/business/mon...rtment-20140502,0,6314315.story#axzz30Z9xaILT
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    lol at quoting the unemployment rate. smoke and mirrors metric bro

    labor participation rate sank, average hourly wage was flat.
     
  6. Air Langhi

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    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    People continue to give up looking for work.

    Sad.
     
  8. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    I mean, it's clear that bigtexxx just has a mental s&m fetish, right? There's nothing wrong with that, so it's not an insult.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    when you have to resort to insults, you've lost any argument.

    keep on topic next time
     
  10. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    I clearly stated that was not an insult. Who am I to judge one's proclivities?
     
  11. mc mark

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    So we can assume that you agree that an increase to the minimum wage is in order yes?
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    Only if you want to increase average wages by increasing unemployment for lower wage people.
     
  13. mc mark

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    The unemployment rate is the lowest it been in 8 years.

    Really Mr. Clutch what happened? You used to be reasonably sane.
     
  14. Rocket River

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    Are PRO-minimum wage raise?

    Rocket River
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    objection -- incoherent question

    objection -- logic failure
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Actually most liberals are emphasizing that the numbers are OK, but not great. I favor more monetary stimulus, which scares conservatives.

    Krugman, for example, thinks we should still be doing more.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    How does monetary stimulus solve the particular problem of the long-term unemployed? The people rolling off of hte labor force are disproportionately in that category.

    This is a unique problem, wiht devastating, debilitating effects and frankly keeping interest rates low or more QE has done nothing to solve it or address it for hte last 5 years.

    Why do you think furhter monetary stimulus will have an effect?
     
  18. Major

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    Or they are leaving by choice because the population is getting older and upper-middle class people are retiring younger. The lower participation rate is a 15 year trend and will likely continue as our population continues to age.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    The other factor is that as unemployment benefits expire which are conditioned upon being in the work force , people are no longer counted as "in the work force"

    of course, under standard right wing/GOP/libertarian logic, the expiration of unemployment benefits should cause no change in the participation rate, as people will merely look harder.

    Guess not.
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    SamFisher and major -- you need to quantify the magnitude of your points. Give me a sense of how much your points matter. thanks
     

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