The Falcons got a great player in Jones, but gave up critical depth where injuries decimated their already average defense. If I'm the Falcons no way I trade for 1.1 unless for Clowney. Wait for Mike Evans , rather than Watkins.
As much as I hate to agree with booby these articles changed my opinions on trading down and the Jimmy Johnson, "draft a bunch of them and let the cream rise" strategy I thought was sucessfull. NFL Draft Strategy: Why Trading Up Is the New Trading Down http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1152920-nfl-draft-strategy-why-trading-up-is-the-new-trading-down http://boards.dallascowboys.com/topic/970-jimmy-johnson-draft-master/ Posted 11 August 2012 - 01:13 AM Jimmy Johnson became the Head Football Coach of the Dallas Cowboys at the moment that Jerry Jones bought the team. He spent five years as head coach and is credited by most fans and media as the mastermind behind the three Superbowls the team won in the nineties, even though one of them came two full seasons after his departure. His firing/resignation was a seemingly mutual agreement between he and Jerry Jones as they both seemed to have enough of each other’s glory getting in the way of their own. He went on to be the Head Coach of the Miami Dolphins for four years, albeit with far less success. Jimmy is given more of the credit for the building of the Cowboys Team of the Nineties and thought by many to be one of the best football talent evaluators of the league’s history. In an attempt to balance those opinions, I have gathered some key points into this segment. During his years with the Cowboys, the team drafted 63 players, including 2 first-overall picks, 5 other first-rounders, 8 second-rounders, and 9 third-rounders. Three of those 63 players 3 became All-Pro with the Cowboys. Thirteen of those players played in 53 Pro Bowls, which sounds great. However, only 9 of them played in 32 Pro Bowls FOR THE COWBOYS. But let’s drill down into some of those Pro Bowlers a little more, shall we? First, you have Troy Aikman: first-overall selection of 1989, 6-time Pro Bowler, Super Bowl XXVII MVP, first-ballet Hall of Famer. Impressive, yeah? But wait. Troy was taken with the first-overall selection and the team desperately needed a QB. In the 1989 draft, only one QB was selected in the first round, and that WAS Troy, the highest rated player on everyone’s board. This pick was a no-brainer, a gimme. Are we really going to stamp “Genius” on the guy for this? But wait. Jimmy wasn’t really sold on Troy as the key to bringing the Cowboys back to glory. In fact, he convinced Jerry Jones to spend their 1990 first-rounder in the 1989 supplemental draft on HIS guy, Miami Hurricane QB, Steve Walsh. The 1989 Cowboys, went 1-15 and were awarded the first-overall selection. But that selection had already been spent on Walsh, costing the Cowboys a chance at drafting the highest-rated player that year, too, Junior Seau. A second-round selection from 1989, Daryl “Moose” Johnston, also went to the Pro Bowl, twice. In fact, Moose is credited by the league as the player responsible for including a true fullback position in the Pro Bowl voting. But wait! The 39th pick used to select Moose wasn’t originally a Cowboys’ pick. They traded to get it. What did they trade, exactly? Well, they weren’t able to make a trade out of the 29th pick before making it, so they selected OG Steve Wisniewski and then traded him along with selection #140 to the Raiders for picks number 39, 68, and 119. Moose became a fan-favorite and no disrespect to him. However, neither Rhondy Weston (68) nor Willis Crockett (119) was on an NFL roster for longer than a single full season. And as great as Moose was with his 2 Pro Bowl spots while playing 151 games over 11 seasons, Wisniewski became a 2-time All-Pro, 8-time Pro Bowler while playing 206 games in 13 seasons. Nice trade. Emmitt Smith: first-round pick in 1990 (from the Herschel Walker trade), 4-time All-Pro, 8-time Pro Bowler, 4-time Rushing Leader, Super bowl XXVIII MVP, 1993 NFL MVP, NFL’s All-Time Leading Rusher, first-ballot Hall of Famer. That is a mouthful, right there. But wait! Do we give Jimmy credit for this pick, too? There are accounts all over the record showing that Jimmy was trying to trade up from where they were selecting into a high enough spot to take LB James Francis (Since they didnt have the top pick to use on Seau). After several attempts failed and the Bengals drafted Francis, Jimmy is reported to try to trade up to pick LB Lamar Lathon, succeeding in a trade with the Steelers up to #17. Lathon, however, was selected by the Oilers at #15. Stuck at 17, Jimmy “settled” for the small, slow runningback from Florida. Pure Genius. In 1991, the Cowboys made three first-round picks. DT Russell Maryland went to a single Pro Bowl in his career, despite also being a first-overall selection in the Jimmy Johnson era. WR Alvin Harper was taken 12th and missed the Pro Bowl, though became a fan favorite and a complement to Irvin. DT Kelvin Pritchett not only missed the Pro Bowl, he never even made the Cowboys team, playing his 208-game career in Detroit and Jacksonville. Meanwhile, WR Herman Moore was taken 10th by the Lions and went on to be a 3-time All-Pro, 4-time Pro Bowler. He probably would have complemented Irvin even better had he been selected instead of Maryland. And, NT Ted Washington, 1 All-Pro, 4 Pro Bowls, could have been taken with either of the later picks, since he was available for the 49ers to draft at 25.So Maryland, Harper and Pritchett or Moore and Washington? Many people forget that Jimmy Smith was drafted by the Cowboys. He played 7 games in 1992 before he broke his leg. Then had an emergency appendectomy leading to an infection, missing the entire 1993 season, and was ultimately released. The Eagles had him for 1994 Training Camp, but released him, also. He went on to a 5-time Pro Bowl career with the Jaguars. Ron Stone and Brock Marion were drafted in 1993 and each went to the Pro Bowl three times. But neither of them went as a Cowboy. In fact, Stone went nine years after leaving the Cowboys and Marion went while with Miami, after Jimmy Johnson retired from his Head Coaching stint there. That leaves us with Pro Bowlers Mark Stepnoski (5, 3 with Dallas), Tony Tolbert (1), Erik Williams (4), Leon Lett (2), and Darren Woodson (5) that can truly be attributed to Jimmy Johnson’s ability to evaluate talent for the draft. That’s less than an 8% success rate. Finally, of Jimmy’s 63 draft picks, only 62% of them (39) played in the league for more than two years and 21% never played in the league, at all. Only 33% (21) played for the Cowboys more than two years. In fact, 23 players (37%) drafted in the Johnson era NEVER EVEN PLAYED FOR THE COWBOYS!!! So, two-thirds of Jimmy’s picks were Cowboys for two years or less and for some reason the drafting was so much better back then than it is now? Am I missing something?
I doubt they do it just because the whole reason they sucked last year was they had no depth do to trading all their picks away.
No way in hell I make that trade. Lose out on a hall of fame talent for a couple of 2nd rounders? And miss out on all the top guys this year.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people change their prediction leading up to the draft. Kiper had Manziel to Houston also. Look at the all mock drafts from day one until now. He also said we were taking Reggie Bush in that draft and owns up about it all the time. I get that people don't like the guy but it's funny how people react to pancakes for doing the same thing other media guys do.
To be fair, the only thing holding back that trade from looking great is that Julio has gotten hurt the last two years. I can't speak for certain on their defensive ranking going into that draft, but they had young talent on that side that were all looking good. Apparently they were mis-using John Abraham too.
Don't know why there is so much hostility towards trading down. Every analysis from this draft I've seen says it's a bad year to have the first pick, but a great year to have multiple picks in rounds 2-3. Not saying trading down is for sure the answer/a guaranteed success, but depending on the trade it COULD help us long term. All this talk about it making us "scared" is simply ridiculous
Because you have fans who fixate on one or two specific media hyped players and feel if we don't get one of those players all is lost.
And how do you know who is the most premium talent...??? Several players in this draft can make claim to that title.
The Redskins traded three 1st rounders and a 2nd for RGIII. While I don't expect something that generous, trading back for a pair of 2nd rounders is a terrible deal and a non-starter IMO.
Here is what Cle got: Phil Taylor (Atlanta's 2011 first-round pick), wide receiver Greg Little, (2011 second-round pick), fullback Owen Marecic (2011 fourth-round pick) and quarterback Brandon Weeden (2012 first-round pick). I would do that deal over. Most players in the NFL draft end up being scrubs. If you think you have a sure thing go for it.
I think you're making your opinion to fast. Especially seeing how the Skins have made the playoffs and the Rams haven't. How is that highway robbery...??? Let's see what happens this year... Because an argument can be made that the Skins have made up for the picks they traded for RG3 by D-Jax landing in their lap.
Looking at it from a draft day perspective, that was an unbelievable deal for the Rams. You can always look back at trades in hindsight but you'd be hard pressed finding a team that wouldn't take that trade.
Indy had no problem turning down the trade... The poster I was responding to wasn't looking at it from a draft day perspective... Or so it seems. Even if they were I still disagree. Because they past up on a franchise quarterback and still have trash at the quarterback position and are no better off than they were before the trade. But it's just a matter of opinion on what you think of RG3. If you don't think he's a franchise quarterback than you probably view the trade as a good one.
Never heard anything about the Colts turning it down or the Skins even offering. Luck at#1 was a forgone conclusion.
Either way, everyone and their momma knew the Redskins and Rams were hashing out a deal. If Indy wanted in on it, they'd have pulled the trigger.
Exactly. Because Luck was viewed by all as a sure thing and Indy would have been crazy to trade the pick. And I felt the same way about the Rams with RG3. All of those picks and the Rams still don't have a franchise quarterback and are still last in their division and if RG3 bounces back and looks like he did his rookie year _ the Rams may have F'd up unless they find a quarterback and as of now their quarterback position is worst than the Texans.
