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Morey needs to be on the hot seat as well

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by roxallways, Apr 23, 2014.

  1. danoman

    danoman Member

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    What? Op, you are ungrateful!

    Morey put this team together things aren't perfect, but the guy has done a very good job. He has done the best with the resources he had at the time of each move.
     
  2. GoRox2013

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    Moreyball has been exposed twice now in the postseason. We've also been stuck with Lin's atrocious contract. If we win 70 games in the regular season but get booted out the 1st round then the GM deserves just as much blame as anybody. This Moreyball crap is a joke
     
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  3. danoman

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    Wait a minute from the beginning of the season we knew our weak spot was the power forward. Morey hit a home run with Dwight in the off season. What more do you want? Give the guy more time to see if he can do something. Personally I'll judge Morey after the Lin/Asik cap space is available.
     
  4. HL3

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    If Morey insists on imposing his disastrous style of play on the franchise long term, the question really becomes how long we can afford to not fire him.
     
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  5. danoman

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    I would not fire him unless we have a better replacement with a history of winning multiple championships. Seriously Morey is almost there, why put him in the hot seat???
     
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  6. GoRox2013

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    But that's the problem. It's not about Dwight Howard it's about this flawed Moreyball offense that looks great in the regular season but will get destroyed in the playoffs every year. Are we prepared to go through 5 more years of 60 win seasons with first round exits?
     
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    Moreyball offense? You realize he doesn't coach the team right? I'm sure there were people wanting to clean house in SA when the spurs got knocked off first round to the 8th seed in 2011. The team is still young, and we can always be improving. Just look at the team last year versus this year.
     
  8. danoman

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    We were not supposed to win it all this year I think everybody was cool with that from the beginning. Morey still has work to do, I just feel like he needs a couple more years before we judge his theory. Honestly, I like Asik, Lin and TJones but they don't make us a championship caliber team. We need upgrades and Asik and Lin hold the cap space we need to get to the promised land.
     
  9. makio9

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    Bonehead thread.

    Morey is the only Gm I can remember to take a team to title contention without building through the draft. Just because it likely lost in the first round doesn't mean it's not one of the best teams in the league. It's just a bad match up, I knew that already. The "experts" didn't.
     
  10. Williamson

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    It absolutely blows my mind that anyone can even start to consider that Morey is the problem. We have the best GM in basketball. He may even be the best GM in professional sports. I won't argue this further, however, because if a person is too dim to understand what all Morey has accomplished thus far then no amount of explaining will help.
     
  11. cheke64

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    The problem is not Morey's GM skills, but him trying to implement a bull**** SYSTEM! It's ok, people don't get it yet, just like Harden's defense and Mchales coaching.


    He needs admit and come forward and apologize for making Mchales look like a fool. Knowing Morey's reputation, he will just be a coward as usual.
     
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    My fault, I forgot that Les is the one that wants that BS offense. Keep on kubiaking , Les. Just keep being the usual Douche Houston sports owner.
     
  13. count_dough-ku

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    Morey isn't a problem. I think that's the wrong word to use. What I will agree with is the argument that he deserves some of the blame for the team's shortcomings. Here's what Morey should get some heat for:

    1) Failing to add quality bench players. The Asik trade for Bass and Lee never happened. Fine. But that still doesn't explain why he couldn't add anyone else to the roster. The Clippers got Davis and Granger. The Grizzlies got Udrih. The Thunder got Butler. We got nothing but a last second trade of Aaron Brooks for Jordan Hamilton.

    2) The team's philosophy on offense. The Rockets are obviously a team that's determined to push the ball, take a lot of 3-pointers, and score transition baskets. But Morey has failed to put together a roster than can successfully implement this system. If you're gonna run and gun, you better have quality 3-point shooters. This team has none other than Brooks who they traded away(Parsons and Lin are average at best). And when you don't have consistent outside shooting and no one who can make a midrange jumper other than occasionally Harden, you're gonna have terrible offensive droughts when the game inevitably slows down in the postseason. Why do you think the Rockets were so bad against the Memphis Grizzlies this year?

    3) The team's philosophy on defense. That's being generous. The Rockets don't really have a defensive philosophy other than Bev being a pest on the perimeter and Dwight being the anchor in the paint. Other than that, it pretty much comes down to hoping the other team misses their shots. The fact that the team neglected defense so much this season that the departure of Kelvin Sampson has led to a complete collapse on that end of the court tells me that the organization never approached the concept of team defense with the seriousness it demanded. Part of that is on Morey.

    All that being said, Morey has done a terrific job rebuilding this roster given how the team never went into tank mode(well, they almost did before OKC handed us Harden). But all of that is meaningless if this doesn't lead to any success in the postseason. Remember, we had Yao and T-Mac together for years and wound up with nothing to show for it other than a single playoff series win. And ironically that was after T-Mac went down with an injury. Losing in the first round every year when you have Howard and Harden on your team is unacceptable. And if it keeps happening, then yes, Morey will have to answer for that. Possibly with his job.
     
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    One of the dumbest posts I think I have ever read.

    Moreyball is simply a philosophy of taking the most efficient shots available. To say "no", we should take less efficient shots is utter stupidity. The solution is not to change the system, its to start hitting shots.
     
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    Agreed. He acts as if Morey is the coach of the team. You judge Morey on the team he puts together and the moves he's made, preferably without hindsight bias, and then take into account who would fill his role if he were booted. GoRox is ridiculous. He has like tunnel vision or something.
     
  16. deshen

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    Moreyball have not won anything yet so far in what, 6 years? All we heard is excuses and more excuses year by year. Even the original Moneyball did not win anything in baseball. or does it still exist nowdays?
     
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    You have taken two completely separate concepts and jumbled them together to try and make a point.

    1.) The original Moreyball, based on the concept of moneyball is a system of asset collection. Seeing a how it has produced two top ten players in consecutive seasons, with the possibility of a third in one of the next two season, as well as an absolute gem in Parsons out of the second round,indicates yes, Moreyall has been quite successful in its goal of obtaining talented basketball players.

    2.) This new idea of calling the 3s and layups system "Moreyball" is very confusing and doesn't make much sense. Why is this Moreyball but not the defensive heavy system he put together under Yao/Tmac/JVG or the motion based system built around Adelman/Martin/Lowry? All three were distinctly unique. Regardless, it is in it's infancy. To expect it to come out perfect, is asking for too much.
     
  18. Midrangej

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    Bench isn't that bad.....Lin, Asik - decent PG and centre....I don't think Bass and lee is good enough trade return for Asik...really needed a PF...., still Bass isn't the answer..

    Offense - yup.....I always thought Mike Miller would have been good for Rockets this year when he left Miami....he can actually shoot the three....unlike Lin and parsons and harden....
     
  19. TheJet

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    Great post. The system cannot be accurately judged if the parts are broken. The only shooter we have that could possibly be considered above average is Harden and he's been playing like ass. I do agree that offensive spacing, in game adjustments and a few other coaching fundamentals are sorely lacking. We need a change in the entire coaching ranks.
     
  20. TheJet

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    The Red Sox employed a version of the original moneyball theory. How did that work out for them?

    If you get the correct parts, theoretically the system will work. It's the architect vs. engineer argument.
     

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