I see what you did there Dawg... Is Seth Payne a doctor...? Or a dietician...? I'm not sure I'm buying this "frame" talk. Could be right though. But I think the kid may just have a strong metabolism. It might slow down in a few years and he can carry weight better. Just the same he's the size he is now but it only takes one team to overlook Teddy's size and I think practically all of them will... Question is which round will they overlook his questionable size and draft him.
Griffin weighed 220+ at his combine...and that was the weight he played at in college. TB is a solid 15 lbs lighter, at least. I dont count the combine weight for Teddy because that's not what he played at during the season or during the pro day. And maybe this issue didnt hurt RGIII...but teams are becoming much more wary of having a QB that gets injured often. This topic of being injured in the pros has affected Manziel too, but to a lesser degree bc Johnny is thick. And Wilson is short, but not scrawny...so he has a much more solid frame. Nick Foles is not scrawny...the guy is 6'6" but he packs on over 240 lbs. And regarding your bet, my hope is that TB drops far enough where the Texans can have a shot at him, but I doubt it happens.
A former NFL player who made a living try to chase QBs should know a thing or two about the position and the physical toll it takes on these guys that get hit by 300 pounders. Just saying that there has to be some issue that causes Seth to go off on weekly tangents about how he cant get over TB's legs or that he just cant see him surviving NFL hits. Payne has no agenda, so no reason to believe he's just trolling. Again, I think its being overplayed, but at the same time, it should be some concern. And if he drops, I dont think the reason will be because of his frame...so it's almost a non issue.
I listen to Seth Payne all the time. He is entertaining. But he mostly just talks to entertain. He doesn't research the players. he doesn't have time. Everybody is different. Bridgewater took hits that most humans would get knocked out from. He took 2 of the toughest I've ever seen a college qb take and yet he jumped back up and continued to play after wards. Continued to play well I might add. Everyone is built different. Look at dennis rodman he was a stick and yet one of the toughest ball players ever. Bridgewater is the toughest QB in the draft outside of Logan Thomas. He played 3 years and didn't miss a game and took more hits while staying in the pocket. He stood fearless in the pocket while on rushed knowing he was going to get hit. And he took the hit and jumped back up. No other QB has the fearlessness in the pocket to do that. And he did that while also protecting himself as good as possible knowing those hits where coming. Teddy has as big a neck as anyone. He has a fullbacks neck. Yeah he is lean but his quick footwork makes him smart enough to take it mostly the way he wants to. Not always but but mostly and when he does get hit he gets back up. As far as weight goes he played his sophomore year he played at 220. He got his jaw busted up in that bowl game and had surgery in the off season. Jaw surgery. He couldn't eat for a while and never caught back up. He is lean no question and maybe he will get beat up. But with all the hard hits he took in college he didn't miss a game. If Seth watched more film he would see that.
Teddy Bridgewater will probably fall to the second round. He's not athletic enough to be a first rounder. The real first round QB prospects are Derek Carr and Blake Bortles. Derek Carr is so underrated. He's not like his brother.
Doesn't have Aaron's arm but he has Joe's pocket presence and toughness and can throw on the run like both.
Bridgewater is baby Matt, imo. Question is, which Matt? Matt Schaub Matt Flynn Matt Ryan Matt Cassell Matt Stafford The possibilities are endless.
Any comparison to Joe Montana, at this point in TBs lifespan, is borderline crazy. I should be saying puff puff pass to you.
Just let the Bridgewater fanbois have their fun, don't rain on their parade. Reality will set in soon enough for them as is. They aren't doing any harm by going back and forth with their "Bridgewater reminds me of....." nonsense. If it makes them happy, why not? In fact, we should encourage it, I'm hoping for someone to drop this one on us
Okay, let's call him Hannah Montana then...like the mini female version of Joe. In all seriousness...Bridgewater is more like Sam Bradford. They are pocket passers that can run. Both can be on target with their passes, but they can face periods of inaccuracy. Im not sure how Bradford is with his deep balls, but I'd imagine as similarly lackluster compared to TB. I do like that TB is determined...he has a major chip on his shoulder. However, he needs the right system and the right coach to succeed. He's not a Joe Montana or Aaron Rodgers that will succeed regardless of system.
Bridgewater is tough, physically and mentally. Thats greater than Bradford Bridgewater's deepball can improve and all this beating he is taking in the pre draft process will help motivate him I agree on Rodgers but Joe was a west coast qb, he wouldn't have had the efficiency or even success if he playad in vertical offense Montana has a very "average" arm coming out
I get that people don't want Bridgewater for a number of reasons. I get that many want Clowney or Manziel instead. Bridgewater is not without flaws. I thought this offseason would show those were just minor issues that he would easily put to rest. And he didn't do that. Still his arm strength is good enough albeit not great. His accuracy on long balls is still a problem. But it's not like everyone else is way ahead of him. The fact he needs to wear a glove to throw better is an issue. But he throws well with the glove. His size is definitely on the light side. But he takes a beating and jumps back up like Patrick Beverly. His wonderlic score bothers some. But yet he shows ample intelligence on the field where it matters. And then you compare that to Clowney who is an amazing athlete. Or Manziel who is faster and smarter. So no wonder many want no part of Bridgewater. But for me I have to weigh it against the importance of position. And I still think QB is the most valuable position on the field. And we don't have one. I know you don't waste a draft pick on a qb just because you have a draft pick. If we were drafting last year 1st overall I would never take a QB. But I think Bridgewater is head and shoulders above last years guys. And he is the best of this year. At least on film. Yeah he has issues and what that does is make him a higher risk. But what he has done well he has done at every level of competition. He has shown he has amazing footwork. He is fearless in the pocket. He is exceptionally accurate more than anyone in the draft in the passes that are most important in the NFL. He has enough speed and enough arm strength. He is smart under pressure. He reads defenses and tears apart pressure and the better the competition the better Teddy. That hasn't changed this off season and no other QB can say that. Yeah he has weaknesses. But the things he does well he does consistently well. Irregardless of the competition. He doesn't run scared. Everyone else to some degree is less composed in the pocket, less tough. And this kid won't stop trying to get better and stop working. So all this other off season stuff doesn't change the film. But it does amplify his flaws and makes me think Teddy Bridgewater is a bigger risk. But everybody is a risk. As good as Manziel's times and scores were, as good as his pro days were he still hasn't shown he can be a pocket passer. He says he can but it's not in the film. Not with any consistency. What the film shows is he runs when pressured. He runs well and maybe that's why he does it. But just because you think he can be a pocket passer doesn't make it true. The film is the film and if it's not in there than you are just hoping. I think Manziel is an amazing competitior and I think he will be successful in spite of his size but he is not a pocket passer at least in college and not in the traditional sense and if you are betting he changes than that is another risk. I get that some are willing to take it. And I like Manziel and wouldn't bet against him. But it's still an unknown. As for Clowney, the wiring, the motor, the questions about shutting it down those all have been unanswered to me. Of course the Texans have done their research on the guy and if they believe either that stuff is not real or is mostly insignificant than who am I to disagree. But with what I know that stuff is a big risk too. Of course he is such a talent but even a Clowney who wants to take it easy at times is still better than 90% of DE's in the league. So there's that. For me it comes to valuing a QB as the most important player on the field; So in my mind you have to believe Clowney is head and shoulders better than Bridgewater and Manziel. If that's the case and you have done your homework on his personal stuff than you have to take him. If not we need a QB and TB is the best of the bunch in spite of all the off season stuff.
Finally, a thoughtful, unemotional post in this thread. I'd probably concede that Bridgewater is the better pocket passer at this point. To say Manziel hasn't done a lot of damage from the pocket just isn't correct. Manziel made huge strides from his freshman to his sophomore season, while Bridgewater has remained steadily good. I agree that Clowney has enough question marks to tilt the argument towards QB. If the risk is roughly equal, then you should weight by position. I just come down on the opposite side of the QB argument. Bridgewater's best game was over a year ago at the end of his sophomore season. Manziel puts up similar passing numbers to Bridgewater now, and is on an upward trajectory. To be great, I think you have to take the chance of a career worse than Bridgewater for the upside potential of being a game changer at QB. Bridgewater's upside seems to be very good, but not a game changer. With 1-1, I think you have to be drafting players with potential game changer upside.
