A 28 is a very acceptable score and Dan Marino is one of the very few exceptions in NFL history. You'll see it year after year for many years to come...take the starting QBs in the NFL and look at their scores. 90% of them will be getting 25 or above on the score. It's just how it works. Im not saying you fail if you dont get that, but the numbers speak for themselves. Again, my hope would be that Teddy is an exception, just like Marino. But to think that he is automatically exempt from what the numbers have suggested for years...that's just being blind to elementary statistics. His game tape is pretty good...not great. His athleticism is good...not great. His arm strength is good...not great. His Madden football IQ is excellent. Round all this up and we'll see what happens. I think if he's in the right situation with the right coach, he can succeed, but it's certainly not a given like some people around here seem to think.
Yeah they keep bringing up guys like Marino, but he came into the league over 30 years ago, you'd think they'd at least bring up Brett Favre who got a 22, 23 years ago....at least heading in the right direction. Another thing is that people talk about Teddy's "football IQ" as if it is something that is certain, IMO after all of his failures this off-season, I don't think you can take anything for granted. He's done nothing but disappoint, who is to say that he will stop any time soon? All of that said, just because of the correlation between scoring 25 or higher on the wonderlic and being a starting caliber QB, it doesn't mean that Teddy can't be one of the outliers, but I argue that the odds are against him, especially because he doesn't have any part of his game that is exceptional.
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Even I thought this was kind of messed up <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I present you with the greatest QB comparison ever. An AFC North coach compared Bridgewater to...Willie Beaman. I'm not making this up.</p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/statuses/455772747709177856">April 14, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Said coach RE: Bridgewater, "He's a dynamic playmaker, but is he the guy you want running your offense? They're very similar."</p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/statuses/455773003175821313">April 14, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Compared to an egomaniac fictional character? Yeah Teddy seems like a me first type of guy Coward should put his name behind the comment.
is he the guy you want running your offense? im trying to understand what that means, what other traits does teddy have to the fictional willie other than they are black. their personalites are not even remotely similiar..
The best I can guess would be that he was trying to say that the nervous looking kid (throwing up before every game) would eventually come out of his shell and go nuts. They really don't have much in common though, Willie Beaman was supposed to be athletically gifted, Bridgewater is not. Even if that's what he was saying, it's still an overly harsh comparison IMO
LOL...yes, it's "obvious" the Browns want to pick a frail framed QB to lead them in a division long known for harsh smashmouth style defense.....that is "obvious". Why wouldn't they? I literally couldn't think of a better pick for them....
Your have never picked up a football let alone put on pads. Obviously never played qb. As problem with your football IQ argument. Your opinions mean as much as the stuff I unload in the toilet after hitting the chinese buffet
This is such a sad attempt at deflection because 1. You don't know me. 2. Even if I hadn't ever "picked up a football", it wouldn't take away from my argument. What you've just done is nothing more than a classic ad hominem. It's made worse by the fact that none of it is even accurate. You have really regressed as a poster after every Teddy Bridgewater failure and even more so as the draft gets closer and it's more and more obvious that he's not in the running for the top pick. Once upon a time you at least made an effort to further debate and discussion, now every conversation with you devolves into logical fallacy or some type of childish attempt at a personal attack. You really need to get your head straight because it's getting downright pathetic. Maybe avoiding the topic for a few weeks would do you good. Take some time off and come back fresh when you are good to discuss the topic again.
You have just become more moronic as the draft season progress This is your whole train of thought: If A agrees with what I think than A must be true If B disagrees with what I think than B must be false
Actually, I've remained pretty much the same, only I've soured a bit on Bridgewater as he's failed at pretty much everything this off-season. At one point I considered him the best QB in the class (although still not worthy of a top 10 pick) now I'd probably go Bortles over him (though still not with a top 10 pick). As to my stance on Clowney, it's pretty much the exact same. He's come in and showed that he can move around well enough to play either elephant OLB or DE and he showed why he's by far the crown jewel of this draft class. It really is you that's changed. Back when you still had hope that your boy would weigh in at 120 at the combine and run a 4.5 in the 40 and show off a cannon of an arm and prove that he doesn't have small hands and that he wasn't reliant on gloves and that he was going to crush the wonderlic and show that he's the most intelligent QB in the class, back then you were much more easygoing. Now that all of that hope has been stripped away, you've been pretty cranky about it. Honestly, I do understand, it's not easy to go that far out on a limb only to have it break, but that's no reason to take that embarrassment out on others.
The thing is I don't take value in what you want to. The film says everything. Heck coaches and GM's can tell you that You just continue to harp what you want to harp on lol, Probably thought Russell and Leaf were the best things since sliced bread
Ah, there we go, the first thing of value you've said in a while now. While I don't agree that film is "everything", film is a great deal, which is why after Teddy Bridgewater showed all of the red flags during this post-season, it was important to go back to the tape and look for them. If/When you did that, you'd find them showing they were legitimate red flags. However, it is kind of funny that you now only want to look at tape now that everything else has been disastrous for your guy. Unfortunately, like I said, his flaws are on tape as well, even if he wasn't playing against good enough competition for them to exploit those flaws. There's a reason he's falling down draft boards and it's not just people being mean to him.
I wouldn't mind trading down for him. As long as the pick the Texans get is a likely high pick in next year's draft. If Teddy doesn't work out (or needs time to develop) and the team stinks; at least they'll have two high draft picks next year. I know it's early but I like next year's draft already.
I'm not sure it's been brought up yet, so I guess I'm the only one who noticed no QB with a wonderlic score of below 20 in this chart? I don't know how many QBs that have been considered prospects get scores in the teens or lower. Perhaps as a group they all score above 20. But surely if wonderlic has absolutely zero effect on QB play, you'd expect at least one QB who can't perform simple math word problems to be a successful QB. I know plenty of NFL prospects in other positions have no problem performing despite absolutely horrendous wonderlic scores.
Oh there's some QB's that have scored under 20 on the Wonderlic, but most of them either suck or played a long time ago. Here's a fun list. Spoiler Reggie Mcneal 2006 19 Bruce Gradkowski 2006 19 Tarvaris Jackson 2006 19 DJ Shockley 2006 19 Derek Anderson 2005 19 Matt Jones 2005 19 Brian Randall 2005 19 Jared Allen 2005 19 AJ Feeley 2001 19 Eric Meyer 2006 18 Cleo Lemon 2001 18 Jarius Jackson 2000 18 Joe Hamilton 2000 18 Kevin Frederick 2000 18 Daunte Culpepper 1999 18 Tyler Palko 2007 18 Rod Rutherford 2004 17 Antwaan Randle El 2002 17 Rohan Davey 2002 17 Woodrow Dantzler 2002 17 Aaron Brooks 1999 17 Jeff Blake 1992 17 Vinny Testaverde 1987 17 Kent Smith 2006 16 Dante Kanner 2001 16 Chris Redman 2000 16 Anthony Wright 1999 16 Heath Shuler 1994 16 Elvis Grbac 1993 16 Vince Young 2006 15 Jim Sorgi 2004 15 Steve Mcnair 1995 15 Randall Cunningham 1985 15 Jim Kelly 1983 15 Dan Marino 1983 15 Terry Bradshaw 1970 15 Troy Smith 2007 15 Seneca Wallace 2003 14 David Garrard 2002 14 Wayne Madkin 2002 14 Ortega Jenkins 2001 14 Donovan Mcnabb 1999 14 John David Booty 2008 14 Charlie Batch 1998 14 Kordell Stewart 1995 14 Rasheed Marshall 2005 13 Brock Berlin 2005 13 Brad Banks 2003 13 Neil O'Donnell 1990 13 Ted White 1999 12 Tobi Karrode 2007 12 Marcus Smith 2006 11 Ell Robertson 2004 11 Romario Miller 2001 11 Tee Martin 2000 11 Michael Bishop 1999 10 Jeff George 1990 10 Vince Evans 1977 8 Oscar Davenport 1999 6 I bolded a few of the more interesting prospects, it seems to suggest that once upon a time you could be dumb as a bag of hammers and still be a pretty good NFL QB, but that time has passed.
Yup, exactly why I told him the chart is basically pointless. If anything, it shows that you need some sort of "minimum" and once this "minimum" is achieved, then anything can happen.
This is what I kind of figured. It would make sense that QBs today who need to survey the field and make quick calculations would need to at least be somewhat capable at solving simple math problems at a fast pace(since the wonderlic is mostly restricted by time). Perhaps the wonderlic is not the best way to judge this. But just as there does seem to be some sort of a minimum 40 time required for WRs/RBs to be successful(as in 4.4 and 4.5 may not be much different, but 4.7 may just mean you're too slow), there's probably also some sort of a threshhold for the wonderlic.
