1. Joe Montana didn't take the Wonderlic....stop making stuff up. Joe Montana came out of college in the 70's....please don't tell me you think the NFL is the same today as it was over 30 years ago. 2.Kaepernick's problem is that he's not a very good QB, he's just a game manager with good wheels...which I'd be fine with the Texans picking up because that would be all they'd need if they managed to make their defense elite.....however you don't go for someone like that in the first round. 3. The kid failed to meet your expectations, yet he's "perfect". LOL, only an incredibly loyal fan would think that way.
1. Actually the wonderlic test for the NFL has been around since since the 70s. Montana came out in 1979 LMAO, keep it going chief 2. We actually agree on one thing lol 3. I never said he was perfect, the flaws that people claim about him are just flatly untrue
1. ......And Joe Montana didn't take it. You are digging quite the hole for yourself here. 2. Well yeah, you just have ridiculous fanboi glasses on when talking about anything related to Teddy Bridgewater, normally your takes are better. 3. You literally just said that his athleticism was perfect....
Can someone explain something to me... If the Wonderlic is a completely pointless measure for a QB and the scores are completely unrelated to NFL performance... Then lets take a perfect score of 50...and the worst score of 0...and cut it right down the middle. A score of 25. If the score on the test is so irrelevant to football performance, then we should expect half of the NFL QBs to score above 25 and half to score below 25, correct? Wouldnt that make sense? How many starting NFL QBs scored a 24 or below on the exam? Is it 3 out of 32? Is the score the end-all, be-all of determining a guys success? Of course not...but, lol at anyone that thinks there is no correlation. There is, in fact, enough correlation where the test matters. Thank you for your time.
I think your in the minority who believes that there is a correlation between tests and success. My wife's an actual psychologist and she provides all kinds of test. There is no correlation between success and intelligence with any kind of aptitude test. In fact, someone can have an average score and still do better in their respective career than someone with very good score within the same field. I think you would answer your question if you just take the sample test online and come up with an educated guess why its a poor indicator of success.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_and_dependence Then go back one page and look at my chart closely--squint if you need to--and tell me that there is a positive correlation between the Wonderlic score and QB skill. BTW, the average score of all respondents has nothing to do with the predictive value of the test. The question you need to answer for yourself is, "Do quarterbacks who have higher Wonderlic scores tend to end up as the best quarterbacks in the NFL?" Hopefully we've answered that for you.
I'm not sure you know what a correlation is....Just saying that there is a correlation does not mean that it is absolute, it just means that there is a degree to which two or more attributes or measurements on the same group of elements show a tendency to vary together. In recent years, successful QB's tend to do better than average on the wonderlic test, and QB's who bomb the wonderlic tend to fail in the NFL in recent years. That doesn't mean that a great score means that you'll succeed or that a poor score means that you can't, it just shows a tendency. If there was no correlation at all between test scores and performance, there would be no test. Last year there were only 3 NFL starters that got less than a 25 on the wonderlic and the lowest score was 20, here they are Now they vary in success, but the fact that there are only 3 starting QB's in the league that scored less than 25 shows that there is a correlation between starting QB's in the NFL and doing well on the wonderlic....very few dummies even get a shot at being a starting QB these days unless they have freakish athletic ability like Scam or RG3 or if their franchises make a mistake like happened with Locker (also a pretty good athlete)
Absolutely, yes. As evidenced by only 3 starting QB's in the NFL scoring less than 25 on the wonderlic you can prove there is some correlation between being one of the best QB's in the NFL (meaning you have a starting gig) and scoring 25 or better on the wonderlic. Now that correlation doesn't mean that the better you do on the test, the better QB you will be, only that NFL QB's good enough to start tend to score better than 25 on the wonderlic.
I respectfully disagree, your just picking data from last three years. If you look at it overall there have been quarterbacks in past that have done with well below average score. Also, the average score is like 21. We arguing about one point here. I'm not going to get too technical here, but agree to disagree. We both agree on that he is not worth 1.1
Of course there have been QBs that have done well with below average scores. I feel like this point keeps getting missed...nobody is saying you have to kill it to do well in the NFL...but, there has to be some minimum requirements that should be met. A similar example (but definitely not the same)...for me to practice dentistry, you need a 75 or higher on the board exam. If I get a 74, Im out....If I get a 75, Im in the same position as someone that has scored a 90. In today's NFL, if you arent getting a 25, your odds of success are greatly diminished...again, this does not mean that you wont succeed...it just means that the numbers overwhelmingly point towards success at 25 and above. Once you reach that "minimum", it doesnt matter what your score is. The average score of QBs is not a 21...the average score of starting QBs is actually 29. Dont mix QBs with defensive backs that score 8's.
I looked at your chart already...it's pointless. Glad you wasted time on something that misses the entire point. Ive said many times in this thread...a minimum standard is "almost" required. In other words, once that standard is met, then the odds of success are greatly increased. There is virtually no difference between someone that scores a 40 and someone that scores a 28. However, there is definitely a certain level that must be reached...if not, we'd be seeing scores in the teens, just as often as we would be seeing scores in the upper 20s (For starting QBs). Again, there is a reason why 9% of NFL starting QBs score less than a 25. Also, Ive never once said if you score higher then you play better...some of you guys have no idea how to read and comprehend.
P.S. I love how you guys cant answer why we dont see an equal number of starting QB scores above and below the midpoint of 25. Let's try to answer that instead of pulling distracting techniques.
this doesn't matter, all things aren't equal. First you have to ask yourself if there are any QBs that got a 20 but also have Teddy's level of football intelligence.
I'm not debating the relevance of the Wonderlic test, But if you look at the other 29 starting QB's _ other than a hand full of those guys, the rest of those quarterbacks are average to garbage at best. The Texans signed Fitzpatrick who had a super high score _ but there is not a Texans fan out there who wouldn't take Cam in his low wonderlic score of 21 over Fitzpatrick... Except for Bobby. This isn't really answering your question but when you look at all the garbage quarterbacks in the NFL with high wonderlic scores _ your question is irrelevant.
There is more to doing well than a high wonderlic...so it really doesnt matter that Fitz scored a 40. What matters is that a "minimum" is achieved...as evidenced by the fact that such a small number of QBs start in the NFL with scores below 25. I wouldnt mind Teddy at 1.1 if BO'B likes him. My preference would be to trade down and get him, but I have no issues with Bridgewater as a Texan. I've stated it in the past. I'm not saying he cant succeed...but as someone who has been in sciences and dealt with numbers and stats his whole life, Im certain there is a reason why 29 out of 32 starting NFL QBs scored a 25 or higher on the wonderlic. It's not coincidence. But, it also doesnt mean Bridewater is doomed, by any means.
If Teddy succeeds, then he's a very exceptional, rare case, in the history of the NFL. More power to him. And if he becomes a Texan, I'd most definitely be rooting for that to happen.
Take Teddy who is the best QB in this draft based on film of his on the field acumen. Dan Marino made a 15 and Peyton a 28! Film weighs more heavily in my opinion. Which is were it matters the most. Don't make harder than what it needs to be.
The Texans aren't selecting Bridgewater with the number one pick. They would have to trade down for that to have any chance of happening. If the Texans keep the pick, and I hope they do, it's going to be either Clowney or Bortles/Manziel. My guess would be Clowney, though my preference is Manziel. He's a huge risk, sure, but his ceiling is scary high. Bridgewater won't fall far, though, too many QB hungry teams.
You're missing my point... You're too busy concentrating on the wonderlic scores of starting quarterbacks but you're not looking at how good those quarterbacks actually are... And I bet Detroit, St Louis, Dallas, and Atlanta fans would take Cam and his low wonderlic score over the high wonderlic scoring quarterbacks they have now. I wouldn't draft Teddy in the 1st round period, BUT it's not because of his wonderlic score. 20 and above is a decent score in my opinion.
