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Channing Frye on Goran Dragic: "Unfortunately for the Rockets, they didn't make the right decision."

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by nrsair12, Apr 8, 2014.

  1. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Lin makes 4.1 shots a game in which he creates (4.1x.56) 2.30 shots for himself. He also creates(assists) 4.2 shots for others. In other words he creates 6.5 shots a game for himself and others.

    Parson makes 6.2 shots a game in which he creates (6.2x.38) 2.35 shots for himself. He also creates(assists) 4.0 shots for others. In other words he creates 6.35 shots a game for himself and others.

    Granted Parson plays more minutes, but Lin gets to touch the ball more often when he is on the court since he's the PG. For someone that is supposed to create shots, he doesn't do a very good job. Add up the fact the Parson takes and makes more open(assisted) shots versus Lin, my original assertion stands. If Parsons can produce shots being off the ball with a so called ball dominant SG like Harden, Lin should be able to with the ball in his hands on almost every possession.
     
  2. Panda23

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    You make decisions based on the information on the time. It's the same reason I was 100% supportive of Morey to cut Lin the first time round, and after the fact. People wanna blame him in hindsight, but AT THE TIME, it was the correct decision based on contracts etc.

    In Morey's mind, it was never Lin or Dragic, it was 3 Years vs 3 years + player option maintain the flexibility to go after a star in 2015. Landing Harden obviously changed that equation.

    Harden was a massive piece of an already contender in OKC. This wasn't some at the time like and like shuffle to maintain flexibility while trying to rebuild.
    OKC were coming off a finals appearance. We were coming off bombing out of the playoffs.
     
  3. torocan

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    Good breakdown of the existing stats. My only issue is I'm not a fan of the standard "assist" stat. I much prefer the more detailed SportVu data.

    For example, if we take the SportsVu play by play data, we find assists get broken down much more accurately. So let's take a look at how the numbers change.

    http://stats.nba.com/playerTracking...d=AST_FT&sortOrder=DES&filters=TeamAbbr*E*HOU

    Chandler Parsons

    Assists per game - 4.2
    Passes per game - 41.8
    Total Assists - 283
    FT Assists per game - 0.4
    Secondary Assists per game - 0.8
    Assist Opportunities per game - 7.1
    Points created by Assists per game - 9.4
    Points created by Assist per 48 - 11.4

    Jeremy Lin
    Assists per game - 4.0
    Passes per game - 42.2
    Total Assists - 283
    FT Assists per game - 0.5
    Secondary Assists per game - 0.8
    Assist Opportunities per game - 7.5
    Points created by Assists per game - 10.3
    Points created by Assist per 48 - 16.8

    So, while your analysis is good, I think the actual camera tracked data counts are more illuminating.

    Just some stuff to consider....
     
  4. dandorotik

    dandorotik Member

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    Why the @#$%^$%^&* is this still on page 1- and in the Rockets forum, no less?????:rolleyes:
     
  5. burlesk

    burlesk Serious business

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    Great points, torocan -- but I'm really posting because I finally read the article linked in your sig -- it's really, really good! Thanks! Should be required reading before joining cf!
     
  6. real_egal

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    Is this one of those high school girl friend things again - She left for someone else. Unhappy with current relationship, all of the sudden, you "discovered" how she was 100% better and how much you "really" loved her, with help of memory and fantasy?

    As I said, Dragic is definitely better than Lin at this point. But what exactly have Goran done for Rockets? No playoffs, if I am not mistaken. Lin, on the other hand, went to playoffs last year.

    I know, Harden and Asik were the main reasons, or if you want to say that Rockets reached playoffs, In Spite Of Lin starting. But still, Dragic didn't exactly bring success to Rockets, did he?

    BTW, once again, it wasn't Morey chose Lin over Dragic. But rather, Dragic was gone, with or without Lin. The only option Morey had at the time, was either starting the season without a starting point guard and a starting center, or overpaying someone. Therefore, the poison pills - to get Asik and Lin at any cost.
     
  7. Breaker

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    now we're stuck with Jeremy DOO DOO Lin
     
  8. daywalker02

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    Channing the man Tat.... I mean Frye
     
  9. roslolian

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    This was like the first time with Lin, it was the correct move at the time but hindsight is 20/20 and the events which followed made it the wrong move now.

    Like what Clutch said, we didn't have a superstar at the time and from my understanding, after several years of trying to be "competitive" Les Alexander had already given the go signal to semi-tank, which is why Morey started dumping away our good players for a$$ets like Scola, Lowry and of course Dragic.

    I was actually disappointed we didn't get Dragic but thought we got an even better player in Jeremy Lin. Tbh I'm not sure why Lin isn't playing at Dragic's level right now, with his work ethic and his health being 100% again I thought he'd take his game to another level by this time, not regress into an inconsistent bench player.
     
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    Lowry would be a better fit next to harden because of his defense, I think they could take turns playmaking also.

    Harden & dragic could cause problems with who has ball, harden likes to just sit around and watch when someone else is playmaking no movement at all. And dragic and harden would be bad on defense.
     
  11. y2Joem

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    just let it go...it's been 3 yrs
     
  12. Texanswin2013

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    I don't think anybody understands how much this guy got better. Who the **** could have predicted who would become a 50-40-80 guy? He showed no signs of being more than a solid rotational NBA player until this season.
     
  13. Kiddsir

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    LOL he's right.
     
  14. naesoon

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    Dragic is 27 years old, Lin is 25. Maybe Lin needs more time and obviously the right team and coach for him. Dragic is in the right place now, where the system allows him to be the #1 option.
     
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    Both Lowry and Dragic had outstanding stretches of play here. There were plenty of signs of them being much more than "rotation players". I don't think any rockets fan was happy to see either of them leave.

    I guess the new revisionism here is to try and shape an argument that McHale is somehow bad for point guards or some other similar fantasy. The need for Rocket fans to highlight and blow criticism out of proportion is a disturbing trend. It was somewhat understandable when we were treadmilling, but as an up and coming powerhouse? This just reinforces how terrible our fan base is.
     
  16. fallenphoenix

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    he was an excellent player while he was with us, definitely better than what we have at the pg position now.
     
  17. d12babymamas

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    crying over spilled milk...

    Anyway, we should have resigned him at all costs.

    It's like we're a factory for developing PGs and then right when they blossoming we send them on their way...
     
  18. d12babymamas

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    PB is our starting PG, not Lin just in case you forgot.
     
  19. Jharden13

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    How much cap will we have when lin comes off the books?
     
  20. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Did you even watch the 2011-2012 season. He played like he was playing now for about 1/3 of the season.
     

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