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Daryl Morey on 790

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by justtxyank, Oct 17, 2013.

  1. Joe Joe

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    Read your comment about xRAPM. Yes, it has flaws. I am not a big component of using one stat as a be-all end-all stat, but I do tend to use xRAPM as a starting point when looking at a guy statistically. When jtr says no metric and xRAPM clearly has Beverley as better than Lin....I stand by saying he is wrong. There may be other metrics that say Lin is better than Beverley, but xRAPM is still a valuable metric.

    I like xRAPM mostly for the defensive component. I do agree that it is tough to compare guys across positions/roles. Lin and Beverley have the same role, be the PG (if they were on different teams, they would play the one and guard each other) offensively and defensively. Beverley would have a great impact on Lin's performance on offensive end, but I doubt Lin would really affect Beverley at all.

    On the fit argument, I agreed with Clutch at the beginning of the season that Beverley should start over Lin due to being a better fit. While I agree Beverley is a better fit with Rockets, I think he is overall a better player as well. Lin would only be a better fit on teams with a spread offense without a star guard. A healthy Atlanta is really the only good team that comes to mind.
     
  2. jtr

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    Really? For a defense first PG who cannot score much and does not dish well? OK. It is a matter of a few dollars.
     
  3. torocan

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    Couldn't tell you off hand. From what I understand it's data plan specific but can get expensive very quickly.

    The NBA teams pay $100K per year, however that's for a full suite of tools, and likely user licenses, bulk purchase deal etc. As an individual, I stopped asking when it was clear it was going to run into the thousands.

    If you get some clarity, I'd love to hear something a bit more concrete. Right now it's rather hush hush.
     
  4. Nook

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    Beverley is an elite defender at the one, that can cover PG's and SG's... he doesn't turn the ball over and can hit 3's.... yeah, I think someone would offer more than the minimum.... the Heat would gladly drop the MLE on him.
     
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    Morey also said getting the guys healthy is more important than the 4th seed. Lopez said that the Rockets take less than the 2nd least team in shooting the long 2s which morey replied
     
  6. jtr

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    Lineups unfortunately influence dRAPM in a myriad of ways. That Bev's RAPM scores are much higher than Lin's only says that Bev is a better fit with the starting lineup than Lin. A position I have held all along. It says practically nothing about an average players NBA abilities when playing along side of NBA super stars.
     
  7. torocan

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    Actually, I think it's less an issue of a "star" guard as opposed to a ball dominant guard. DeMar Derozan is a scoring guard, but he's not ball dominant like Harden. Kevin Martin, JJ Redick, Andre Iguodala... none of those are similar to Harden either.

    I actually consider Harden fairly unusual in terms of how he dominates the ball. Sure, there's Kobe but Kobe isn't typically initiating the offense either.

    Harden doesn't really function as a spot up shooter, or a cutting guard, or a defensive guard. And those are more typical in the NBA as far as I can see.

    As per roles, PBev's role is pretty much the same on both units. Lin's role actually changes depending on whether Harden is on the floor which makes total minutes comparisons more difficult as the data is "dirtier".

    Anyway, just random thoughts.
     
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    There is the thing about the 3 point shot. While Bev is not a great 3 point shooter he is more than adequate. He has even shown that he has the ability to ratchet up his 3 point shooting in big games.

    Add to the fact that when Bev is on the court there is zero confusion about what everyones roles are.
     
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    Thx for the transcription, JR.

    Appreciate the honest assessment on what it will take to really make a push. Focused play and a good bit of luck. Excited!
     
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    But if you are Harden, Durant or Nowitzki, do you take uncotested 2 or contested 3?
     
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    This is what's worrying the most. Except for Harden, everyone's been off and bandaged up recently. Even harden had a left hand accident during a game. We have to start looking to rest the players.

    The issue comes with whether you want home court with 50% health or away court with 90% health. Of course it's not so black and white like that, but I wouldn't want to see us sustain home court but end up only having 3-4 lingering injury. (Like David Lee)
     
  12. Joe Joe

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    How about saying ball dominant star perimeter player, then? Derozan is on Toronto. I'd rather Lowry have the ball than Lin. Redick...Paul. Iggy...Curry. Backup PGs have to generally play with either the starting PG or SG sits.

    Miami, Houston, Indiana, Charlotte, Atlanta, and Dallas are the only playoff teams that Beverley and Lin would have a shot at getting major minutes. Atlanta and Dallas (forgot about them earlier) are the only ones I think Lin would get more time than Beverley. Miami, Houston definitely would choose Beverley easily. I think Hibbert and Jefferson clog the lane too much for Lin and don't set good picks. Lin would probably also be better on Minnesota.
     
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    The Rockets only need 3 wins or Portland losses. I do not believe they are playing a contender except for SAS in their last 6 games. McHale will get the roster adequate rest.
     
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    Not before the season started when the decision was made.
     
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    Cosign.
     
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    He's the better PG for THIS team I agree.

    Lin could be a great starting PG for another team though.
     
  17. jtr

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    People are so so quick to judge point guards on what they see on their TV screens. Sorry, that is certainly not what you should be giving the most weight to. What appears on the TV screen is fit. Not talent or ability. Therefor Bev appears to be better than Lin with the starting lineup. Do not extend that observation beyond its context. That is a sign of inexperienced fans expressing their emotions. On any team that needs offense from the point guard position Lin is the much better choice.
     
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    He is not elite yet , you have to give him at least another year or so before giving him that title. He does have the potential to be an elite defender indeed.
     
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    According to JVG, if a player can not play a defense, then he should not be on the floor first. Lin likely would not be a great starting PG for any team except a team which does not care winning. But having said that, Lin was good enough at the beginning of the season, but he just becomes bad each week, it is hard to understand, a mental weak player?

     
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    dude plays solid D on reggie jackson for the W then comes into the game on a hot brooks has brooks turning the ball over left and right and not even wanting to touch the ball anymore on last shot in a comeback WIN and you talk about his defense?

    not a good time to talk down on his defense
     

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