Jeremy Lin stats against west top 9 this season

You have to factor in this year, he had to play from the bench and adjust, and re-adjust to the bench players, then randomly inserting as a starter again (which now is a completely different role , since bev is now the new starter so things have changed). I am disappointed by some of his play though, and it seems like he is a slump, so hopefully next year he gets his s--- together and just play hard from the bench.

 

I think you need to include more context with those box score stats. A simple look up on his shooting advanced stats will show u he has improved.

Also need to put into context that he is playing more than half of his games from the bench this year with less minutes, and a portion of his playing time is with also with the other bench players.

 

Lin is 3rd scoring option last year.
This year, he is 4th or even 5th.

The lower the priority, the less consistency, not to mention he had back injucy during the season.

J. Crawford (2013-14) and JR Smith(2012-2013), their FGA is 14avg. with FG 41%.
Are they consistent? NO.

Lin has only 9.4avg. with FG 44.3%.

 

But you're right in respect to his confidence. Wish he didn't put his head down as often everytime he makes a mistake.

I think he can learn from Harden such as his half time break interview in one of the recent games where he was asked why he was playing better in this game than his previous games against OKC...His response was that he was in attack mode, it doesn't matter if he misses his shot or not he was just going to play his normal game. That is some wise words that Lin could definately apply.

 

I agree with the posters that playing from the bench is obviously a big change. But as much of a negative effect that kind of move can have i think in this case it has actually helped Lin tremendously which is why iam so frustrated he still cant get it together.He doesent handle the ball nearly as much, he doesent burn himself out guarding the top pgs in the world, and he becomes our#1 scoring option when he enters the game .
Imo that kind of change should def help your shooting stats, i really dont care how many ppg he scores, or that his assists and steals went down (thats due to a little less min) but when your shooting percentages are the same and your Offensive awareness gets Worse, whats gonna happen when your facing a half-court defense 80% during the playoffs?...that just worries me , and instills no confidence whatsoever in his abilities come playoff time when his transition game will ultimately be limited. I hope he shuts me up cuz we wont be in the finals unless he does

 

He sucks. We know unfortunately

 

Then if your truly rooting for the Rockets, then hope he gets more comfortable and confident playing along side with Harden and Asik in the next few games. This will have a big bearing on his performance as well as our success when the playoffs come if he can carry that confidence and momentum into the post season.

 

Texanasiafan just besmirched LOFS

 

lol i don't even have the energy to respond to why you are generally wrong on so many levels. i, unfortunately, do not have torocan's patience.

 

because LOFs were held in such high esteem in the GARM before? lolololol

 

I might be a masochist. I actually enjoyed that little economic interlude a few pages back. It was a nice break from the norm.

As for the rest of the analysis, well, I learned long ago that statistics are just tools. The same tool that serves me well for welding might burn a house down in the hands of another.

 

I hate when Lin puts his head down after a mistake. Why does he do it so often?? Just clap your hands, bring your head up and play ball. When he does that, he brings his energy level down, the very opposite of what he needs to do after making mistakes.

 

Huh? Where did I say that? Please show me the quote where I said you were hiding stats "to make Lin look worse."

The criticism was that factors such as minutes and FT numbers and other info were missing, and the suggestion was that displaying TS% and per 36 numbers would provide a clearer picture of player evaluation. I mentioned nothing about your intentions to make Lin look better or worse. Why are you putting words in my mouth?

1. If you left out information because you had data showing that they were the "same," you're supposed to communicate that fact to readers instead of assuming they know. We're not mind readers. And even 2 more minutes is still 2 more minutes. That would still change the per 36 numbers. The point of providing clear stats is to provide an accurate picture (as much as you can). Note that I'm encouraging you to post per 36 even if it may make Lin look worse. That's because I care about getting a more accurate picture with the data, not how it "makes a player look"

Of course, you also did suggest that you chose not to include the info to bait Lin fans or something. Although I'm not sure exactly what you were baiting. You provided data initially that was lacking in some statistical context, and so I'm suggesting that you add that context to provide a clearer picture. So that was what you were expecting all along? Good for you?

2. Your initial post provided Lin's stats vs specific teams. Where are the mpg for his stats vs the specific teams? You explained that you left out mpg entirely because the average mpg for those 9 games were "almost same" as his season average. But just because the average mpg for those 9 games were almost the same as the season average, that does not mean the mpg for Lin vs each of those teams are the same. If Lin were to have played 40 min a game vs Spurs, but 20 min a game vs OKC, the per 36 numbers would change quite a bit, wouldn't you agree? So where is the mpg for the vs team stats in your initial post? Or is this another piece of information that you didn't bother to post because you already knew all along that they are the same across teams (and expect us to just know... somehow)?

 

1. As torocan had stated, mpg is particularly important to include in Lin's case not because, as you believe, it will make him "look better" but because he plays with much more uneven minutes, meaning when you just average over his per game stats (as in your original post), they are much more unreliable.

2. Per 36 allows you to convert his box score into a baseline where you can THEN average much more reliably. Now, of course, you said his average MPG for those 9 games are similar to his season average. That still says nothing about how uneven his minutes were per game. That says nothing about whether he played more minutes against OKC, or less minutes against the clippers, etc. THATS why it is better to use per 36 stats so you can do more of an apples to apples comparison between team averages, and per 36 also allows you to get a better average of the overall 9 game stats for Lin.

This even applies within his team averages, as torocan had already showed you. His game against the Spurs was 33 min one game and 44+ min another game. Averaging his per game stats for the Spurs like you did (when the minutes are so different) is thus problematic. Hence why it is probably better to provide per 36 stats instead.

Do you have the actual individual MPG for his other games? Can you say confidently that they are ALL around 31 minutes and thus did not require converting to per 36? (Honestly, it doesn't even matter at this point, since the varying MPG for the Spurs game alone should have meant you should use per 36 instead of just averaging regular box score)

3. Why do you insist that these criticisms are all due to a desire to inflate Lin's stats? I have never looked at his per 36 stats for those 9 games, nor his FT% or TS%, so I don't even know that they would make him look good. If anything, they may even paint a more negative picture. In fact, torocan's response to your original post showed Lin's per 36 stats for the Spurs as actually painting a LESS flattering picture of him, at least scoring wise, as his PPG was 15, but his points per 36 was 9 (although his other per 36 numbers were decent). But the per 36 correction certainly did not "make Lin look better" in that case. So there goes that accusation.

Torocan emphasized repeatedly that he was criticizing your methodology/procedure, and suggested a better way to evaluate Lin's performance (which may or MAY NOT make him look better). That was the main point of criticism I believe.

Again, I'm still waiting on you to provide the quote where I accused you of hiding "important facts" (which you accused me of earlier).

As for the racism discussions, yeah, I also find it annoying, inflammatory, and adding nothing to a discussion in a thread about Lin's play. I do believe the extremists on either side really hurt the quality of this forum. At the same time, you admit yourself that the exact reason you left out some information was to provoke a response from LOF's. If you truly wanted a rational discussion about Lin, IMO it may have been better not to try and add fuel to the fire. Additionally, and you may disagree with me, but going through the effort to intentionally try to expose a group of extremists/trolls or provoke a response to say "See I told you so!" may actually cause others to view you as an extremist or troll yourself.

 

Just curious, what sort of performance does Lin have to have stat wise in order for him to be considered worth his salary?

 

So minutes per game does not affect a player's overall stats?

Is that what this whole thread is about?