I like to call them LOFH's more, because they don't really truly hate Lin. They just hate LOFs, which I understand. It's like time immemorial haha. Original people on CF have a community, then because of a hyped player, a whole new group of "immigrant" posters flood the message boards and espouse their own culture and ideas. We won't talk about who is right or wrong here, but let's presume that the LOFs are spewing things that are extreme and hyperbolic, etc., and that annoys the original CF community. 1) People like remaining exclusive and feeling special, so those who were here before see themselves as "true fans", which to some degree might have been true given so many LOFs only cared about Lin; 2) People like to feel superior and a new culture of thought that seemed very flawed to them (again, won't argue whether it was or not, but we can presume it was just to kill some arguments) threatens and irritates them, so they soon want to employ an "us vs. them" mentality. It didn't help that LOFs were just so different from the original CFers in thinking. Then finally, other posters who joined later or are sorta in limbo started jumping on the LOFH side, the originals, because it kinda became the "hip" thing to hate on Lin. So much hype on one side always generates haters, and you know, it's cooler to feel like a hater. The problem though is I think it would have been better for the original CFers to be more accepting and slowly over time show LOFs where their disagreements lied and how to bridge that gap. I mean that with moderation. Before LOFHs say I always tried to show LOFs why they are wrong!, I'ma say no, that's not what I mean. I've seen how most in the GARM responded to LOFs and it was not trying in a nice way to help them understand flaws in their arguments...in any cogent manner. It was just rude bashing. So instead, human nature reared its ugly head and LOFHs started to be just as ridiculous as LOFs. They would be just as hyperbolic and extreme and hateful, which only caused LOFs to react even more LOF-y. Now LOFs aren't even around in the GARM that much more, but LOFHs have become so used to hating on them, so used to feeling superior, they go out of their way to lure LOFs out of hiding with bad arguments...essentially baiting them and bringing up Lin over and over again until they bite...then they get to take the high ground and go SEE! Look how stupid LOFs are. I knew it! It's like dropping a $20 on a public street day after day until someone decides to pick it up, just so the original owner of the $20 can say SEE! I knew people were deep down bad and would steal! It's stupid. I enjoy reading torocan's posts because, even if people label him a LOF, I don't see ridiculous arguments from him. I find his posts insightful and educational and intelligent. He's not always 100% right, but he's generally correct and much better than a lot of other posters in the GARM, esp. the classic LOFs (which are far and few in between now) and the terrible LOFHs that are so prolific now. TL;DR: LOFHs suck and are a reaction to LOFs in a very human nature, "us vs. them and we're better" sort of way, but now they've become more prevalent and extreme and irritating than the few LOFs still around.
LOL okay now I know you're trolling. Please explain how that quote is in any way "raging" or a personal attack on you. lolwtf.
Harden: OKC # G = 4, FG% = .382, 3P% = .346, Pts = 22.8, Ast = 6.8, TOs = 3.3 Clippers # G = 4, FG% = .362, 3P% = .167, Pts = 19.3, Ast = 4.8, TOs = 3.5 SAS # G = 2, FG% = 0.6, 3P% = 0.75, Pts = 29.5, Ast = 6, TOs = 2.5 POR # G = 4, FG% = .48, 3P% = .455, Pts = 30.3, Ast = 5.3, TOs = 5 Beverley: OKC # G = 1 (25 mins), FG% = .25 (1/4), 3P% = 0 (0/1), Pts = 2, Ast = 3, TOs = 0 Clippers # G = 2, FG% = .467, 3P% = .444, Pts = 12, Ast = 2.5, TOs = 3.5 SAS # G = 2, FG% = 0.444, 3P% = 0.571, Pts = 11, Ast = 4, TOs = 0.5 POR # G = 4, FG% = 0.447, 3P% = .286, Pts = 12.5, Ast = 1.5, TOs = 1 Parsons OKC # G = 4, FG% = .339, 3P% = .355, Pts = 17.8, Ast = 2.5, TOs = 1.8 Clippers # G = 4, FG% = .45, 3P% = .278, Pts = 18, Ast = 3, TOs = 2.5 SAS # G = 3, FG% = .435, 3P% = .474, Pts = 17.3, Ast = 5, TOs = 1.3 POR # G = 4, FG% = .46, 3P% = .333, Pts = 17.5, Ast = 3.3, TOs = 0.8 Jones: OKC # G = 4, FG% = .5, 3P% = 0(0/1), Pts = 10.5, Ast = 1.3, TOs = 1.3 Clippers (14 mins/g avg) # G = 3, FG% = .3, 3P% = n/a, Pts = 2.7, Ast = 0.3, TOs = 0.3 SAS # G = 3, FG% = .524, 3P% = .2, Pts = 17.3, Ast = 0.7, TOs = 1.0 POR (16.7 mins/g avg) # G = 3, FG% = 0.5, 3P% = 0, Pts = 4, Ast = 1.0, TOs = 0.7 Someone else can do Dwight, I'm too lazy. If any of these numbers are wrong because I typed too fast, sorry TIL nobody can hit a 3 against the Clippers except Beverley, but he coughs up the ball a ton in the process
The attitude of LOH basically underscores America's disdain for immigrants in general. Do you ever wonder why it's so natural for some of these posters to be ridiculous? It's because racism and segragation is so naturally ingrained in their DNA passed on from generation to generation. Even though they are miserable with their own lives, they derive satisfaction from telling themselves they're superior or whatever. I might be a little extreme and I don't mean to offend anyone but I'm sure you get my point
http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/1985/chatter-phils-moves-rockets-pg-search Houston management isn't dumb. They've been had and won't let a few bad decisions weigh down their title aspirations.
All of the aforementioned are caucasian except Yao (who did face some struggles), there's not enough of discernible difference between them and regular americans
There was no need for you to quote his entire post to make this point-->wasting space. You are a Canadian--not an American--and you probably know nothing about America's immigration policies. Americans don't have a disdain for immigrants in general. You are generalizing. Houstonians in particular deal with immigrants on a daily basis. I hope you are being sarcastic about "segragation[sp] is so naturally ingrained in their DNA passed on from generation to generation" because this is not how DNA works. People who are critical of Lin are not "miserable with their own lives" nor do they "derive satisfaction from telling themselves they're superior." I don't think I'm in any way better than Lin as a basketball player. Alright, we get it. You are anti-American.
What about Nene? Jianlan? Nope. Haddidi? Does racism only exist against Asians? Are middle easterners and Indians included? Is racism the only form of struggle a human can face? LOFs:::: Projecting every waking insecurity a human can have.
Well, yes and no. I don't think there is some inherent hatred for asians that CFers or Americans harbor... But if you mean the tendency of ANY group of people who already have a community to be wary of another NEW group of people that try to break into their community, esp. if they have differing views/values? I think it's quite natural for humans of any race/country to then show disdain and be defensive. That would be an innate trait in mankind in general, imo, but I'm also a cynic.
This is what I mean. These statements do not help the discussion. They only fan the flames. I disagree with yummy's sweeping generalization that Americans inherently are programmed to show disdain toward immigrants, but your categorization of a whole subgroup of people as "too paranoid" is just as sweeping and unwarranted (and frankly wrong).
Again, I was probably being alittle extreme. I am not anti-american. I understand very clearly America is a vital cog in the global economic engine. Some of the world's greatest products/services came from America; Google, Apple, Microsoft etc. Heck, I lived in New York for several years as a kid when my dad was doing Grad school. I was commenting more on the standard of living, and with that, the struggle immigrants face in America. There is a cost for such extreme capitalism. The poverty gap is horrific, unemployment rates are a nightmare, gun violence is completely out of control. Overall, I understand why WASPy America wants to preserve their dominance in the country amid such chaos.
For someone who doesn't live in America, you sure know a lot about how utterly terrible our country is and how unbearable it is to even get up every morning and hope that I, as a child of immigrant parents, have avoided falling into poverty, being unemployed or being shot. /sarcasm
You started off on such a positive note, although you somehow brought economics into this and not me. Canada doesn't have an issue with illegal immigration because no Americans really want to move to Canada. Minorities compromise a much greater segment of our population than yours; of course there will be more tension. If you were commenting on the standard of living then what is the connection with racism and segregation? The cost for such extreme capitalism is not borne by immigrants alone. Racism and segregation are not propagated by WASPs in order to maintain an economic hegemony. Your criticisms sound like tin-foil paranoia. Gun violence
Yeah you are completely off base. There was not a shred of truth to your post. What is the connection between Jeremy Lin being benched by McHale or criticized by Rockets fans and Marxism? You would like to be an intellectual about this but you are just throwing out random insults towards Americans.
I didn't say that. I don't know why so many in the GARM love propping up strawmen. It's really weird.
