1.) LOL, this has been six pages of people mocking you and identifying the real turnover problem. All the "ppl smarter than me" have repeatedly asked you about the comparable rates for other high usage great offensive wings and you didn't respond to any of them. The reason: You have no argument because your point is stupid. 2.) Not just wasting your time, wasting everyone's time.
Mocking? Ehh who cares, no harm done. I haven't read all the posts anyway. I fully understand that you & many others on here are so emotionally attatched to certain players that you'll NEVER accept any criticism of them. As far as the high usage debate, I've already touched on that. It's true most superstars like KD & Lebron have high turnovers. But as I previously stated, it's the TYPE of turnovers that's concerning. There are dead ball turnovers like charges, outta bounds penalties etc..Then there are lazy pass turnovers that lead to fastbreak points. It's a known fact that Harden has huge problems w/ lazy turnovers that lead to easy fastbreak points. Besides, I stopped taking you serious when you said Harden's high turnovers were "just fine" LOL. Wow FYI, Your wasting your own time because your cherrypicking at this point. Instead of adding insight, you've spent more time trying to belittle and twist words lol. Very class of you
My theory is our TOs are due to the predictability of our offense. With Harden, they usually occur when he dribbles into the lane with several opponents surrounding him. Other times it's when he drives in and tries to pass out, and his teammates are not in the position they're supposed to be. Some weak passes on the perimeter, usually against teams that are great at playing the passing lanes, like MIA and MEM. We have limited options on offense. If Harden is not shooting well, he can't force the offense to collapse and usually everyone else is covered. That stretch when we had a good run coincided with Harden shooting phenomenally. These last few games, his shooting has gone down a bit.
Lebron TO - 248 Off foul - 25 Bad pass - 138 Lost ball - 64 Other - 20 Durant TO - 255 Off foul - 20 Bad pass - 114 Lost ball - 98 Other - 23 Curry TO - 271 Off foul - 15 Bad pass - 172 Lost ball - 58 Other - 25 Harden TO - 243 Off foul - 28 Bad pass - 128 Lost ball - 69 Other - 18
I thought it was a dumb joke at first too. Thinking to myself that he's probably just trolling CF but the OP (anthony) is dead serious. Just check out his twitter link in his signature if you're ever in need of laughter. :grin: I think he caught the delusion bug from lofs. Just a couple of gems: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I'm a start a petition to get Jeremy Lin deported...please feel free to sign</p>— Robert A. Longoria (@B1G_R0B) <a href="https://twitter.com/B1G_R0B/statuses/451578735838240768">April 3, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Go back to Korea Lin</p>— Robert A. Longoria (@B1G_R0B) <a href="https://twitter.com/B1G_R0B/statuses/451185720472764416">April 2, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
If your team sports a top five NBA superstar, a top 5 scorer and 24th in the league in assists, you certainly should not bit** about turnovers, especially when they are in line with other players of his caliber.
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lol cherrypicking Insight was dropped by the truckload on you and it was ignored, either because you are biased, are purposefully being dense, or you just don't understand the game. Turnovers happen. It is a natural by-product of just being human and playing the game, just like picking up fouls and missing shots. Yes, even lazy passes! Turns out players get fatigued and make mistakes. As long as it is within a normal range, aka, near similar caliber players, it is not something to focus on, because it is not something you can improve. A 15% TOV% is fine, just about average among Harden's peers. Putting a microscope on that while ignoring some of the other much more egregious issue is stupid. (edit - Props to Jordann above for further illustrating how stupid this thread is) When you get to guys like Asik, Howard and Lin, with TOV% is much higher than normal, you should look to avoid putting them into positions where they can turn the ball over, IE: 1.) Less Howard post ups, where he is heavily turnover prone. 2.) Less passes to Asik, he just can't score unless it is a dunk. 3.) Less Lin on the team. We need a better backup PG. Considering the thread was made after a game where Harden had 1 turnover, you made half the OP a Lin rant and you joined in 2013, I think it is reasonable to assume this is just some outlet to try and defer criticism away from Lin who was atrocious yesterday.
Any turnover is a bad thing, agreed. But I think this data makes it pretty clear. Some of the greatest players alive turn the ball over. The thread is drawing criticism because it seems silly to pick on one aspect of their game that is a negative when they bring so many other positives to the table.
I don't believe that there's any published stats for that but I can tell you the numbers from the last two games: Brooklyn- Harden had 4 TOs. 1) pass out of bounds, 2) Lost ball on drive - no fastbreak. 3) Bad pass - FB Dunk 4) Offensive foul - push off. Toronto - bad pass - no fastbreak. So he's had 5 turnovers in the past two games that led to 1 fast break dunk/layup.
I actually think Harden's TOs are fine. With how much he drives to the hoop and how much he handles the ball, his TOs aren't terrible. Can he cut it down? Sure, but it is not a big concern. What's concerning is his effort on D. His D and leadership skills are really what he's missing to become a real MVP.
Heh, I think that is the worst analogy. This is Harden getting 30 points and then giving 30 points right back (turnovers and defense)
For the record Lin is currently ranked 18th among PG's in turnovers, and averaging only 2.0/game for the past month. I swear these Lin trolls will nitpick any possible way to kick the guy when he's down.
regardless of who is responsible for the turnover it's a loss of possession and sometimes momentum killer
