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I've Seen Enough - Canaan Should Start

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Old Man Rock, Mar 29, 2014.

  1. moreyonlyfan

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    The ClutchFans mob are probably the only species in the world that will see a DLeague point guard play four games, shoot 29.6% from the field, rack up more turnovers than assists and steals combined (with an assist/turnover ratio that ranks at dead last in the league among all point guards that played more than 2 games), and immediately proclaim he should start for the team.

    Because clearly a point guard that ranks #9 in offensive capability, right next to Deron Williams, is much worse.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/trueShootingPct
     
  2. T_Man

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    I get your point about starting Canaan that he's a rookie... But your post is right on spot to what i've been saying about stats...

    Believing those stats and starting Lin is Fool's Gold....

    T_Man
     
  3. legacygt777

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    I don't get why a lot of people hate on lin. for the most part of this season, he hasn't been starting. he's brought his offense up this year even playing lesser min but he still needs lots of improvement. his defense is what he really needs to focus in the off season.
    I like canaan but he's got so much work ahead. if this thread is saying that canaan is way better than lin so he should start, you don't know basketball. he's not even in the same level as lin at the moment although he has shown that he may be a good player. if anything, I really miss brooks at this time.
     
  4. Neped

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    Just watched the game. Got close to winning with Lin and the bench. Then Lin was benched for who knows why???? Mchale just doesn't want Lin to be credited with the win. "if it ain't broke don't fix it.
     
  5. AVoiceInACrowd

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    Is this for real or are you just a troll?

    "Mchale just doesn't want Lin to be credited with the win".

    If it's real, then you might want to see your doctor about getting medication for paranoia and delusions.
     
  6. Neped

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    Not a troll . But why was Lin benched in the 4th win it looked like the rockets were winning. Down by 5points. Then the lead was gone when he was benched????
     
  7. Neped

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    Then after the lead was back down to 10 points brings Lin back but the game was already out of hand.
     
  8. shortfuse3

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    This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. Canaan is a physically strong PG in the Lowry/Nate Robinson mold. If anything he plays more physical than Lin.
     
  9. Neped

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    And my point is. If you want to be a great coach like Doc Rivers or Popovich you got to stick with/leave those players in who are getting you back in the game. I don't care if they are scrubs.
     
  10. AVoiceInACrowd

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    It's one thing to disagree with a coaching decision. That's fine, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But to attribute motives such as the coach doesn't want to see a certain player get credit is ludicrous.
     
  11. moreyonlyfan

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    True shooting percentage is not a perfectly reliable metric, but if you give me one set of data collecting Lin's performance in his entire season that shows he's in fact been a significantly above average point guard this season, and then another set of posts from highly emotional and obsessive posters drawing from select anecdotes about how Lin does not deserve minutes over possibly one of the worst PGs in the team, I'm going with the stats.

    One reason why true shooting percentage overrates Lin is because he has a pretty high turnover rate, which is not taken into account. If you adjust for turnover rate, Lin's offense becomes less spectacular, but still above that of an average starting point guard in the NBA (who is paid roughly 9-10 million dollars - more than Lin). His defense is probably below average, but not as atrocious as some people seem to think - he takes a significantly above average amount of charges, and is also one of the top blocking guards in the NBA. Think about it: If Jones, Parsons, Harden and Lin all have universally atrocious defense as some hysterical posters seem to think, how is the Houston Rockets one of the best defensive teams in the league, pace-adjusted? Dwight Howard isn't the one keeping opponents to a .347 3-pt percentage, making Rockets the 5th-best perimeter defense team in the league. There's a really bizarre lack of appreciation of how much the players on this team has improved in this regard.

    Whether some of the high-volume posters in these threads believe it or not - Lin has played quite well, has consistently improved, and most certainly has played at the level of his contract if you compare him to other point guards with a similar salary. Even more importantly, he is efficiently serving the role he is expected to play - as a scoring 6th man. I think Lin receives an unfair amount of criticism simply because he hasn't outperformed his contract the way Beverley, Harden, Parsons and Jones have - so he looks expensive next to these players. But the fact that Rockets players are often hidden gems in the NBA is exactly why the team is contending for a championship this year despite being the 2nd youngest team in the NBA, and Lin should not be penalized simply because his teammates are high over-achievers.
     
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  12. jocar

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    Sorry, I grabbed the last 2 games off bball reference and they hadn't updated the last game. I mixed the 2 assists from Clippers game

    32min 1-9 shots 2 assists, 10 points

    ^No need to rethink anything here. My premise was that he's been stinking it up, and he has. Extended minutes isn't helping his case, and nor is your "correction".
     
  14. bobloblaw

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    It sounds like Jeremy Lin needs an Asian coach to prove that he is a star. There is so much bias in the NBA. Where are the Garcia apologists?
     
  15. Phillycheese

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    He was not benched, he needed a rest after playing 12 straight minutes.
     
  16. torocan

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    Your premise is wrong unless you're ONLY arguing that Lately he hasn't been playing as well as some other parts of the year. However, that ignores the argument that right now he's ALSO playing better than some other parts of the year.

    Over the year, he's actually *better* than last year in many respects. Virtually every facet of his shooting has improved over the season vs last year.

    2012-13
    .441 FG%, 33.9% 3pt%, 3.4 FTA/gm, 78.5% FT%, .538 TS%, .490 eFG%, 14.9 points/36 mins, 6.8 AST/36mins, 20.8 TOV%, .099 WS/48

    2013-14
    .444 FG%, 34.2% 3pt%, 3.9 FTA/gm, 81.5% FT%, .567 TS%, .502 eFG%, 15.5 points/36 mins, 5.2 AST/36 mins, 20.6 TOV%, .102 WS/48

    And it's not just in general, it's at *EVERY* distance.

    Distance 2012-13 2013-14
    0-3 feet -- .636 -- .651
    3-10 feet -- .318 -- .391
    10-16 feet -- .227 -- .282
    16-21 feet -- .421 -- .438

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/linje01.html

    Keep in mind, this is with reduced minutes, a change in role, playing significant minutes with an unfamiliar bench line up (Casspi, Hamilton and Canaan are all new) and unlike last year he's struggled with injuries on and off the entire year (back spasms and knee sprain).

    So what exactly ARE you arguing?
     
  17. passdarock

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    Personally, I like Lin as a person (based on this Linsanity movie) but as a basketball player he is so frustrating to watch. He makes many bonehead mistakes and I really dislike how he constantly arguing with the refs to get a call. I want to scream at him, "They are not going to change their mind"!! Just quit complaining and start lifting so you can absorb the contact!!! Also, Lin needs to work on his shot. If he can attack the basket without getting knocked down to the floor then he should continue being aggressive but when he keeps getting knocked down play after play, it just seems like he's not learning. smh.

    Dmo and Casspi is equally as frustrating as Lin.
     
  18. Rocknation

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    You should be warned for personal attacks
     
  19. Rocknation

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    I think its the religion that bothers kevin mchale and some guys here too.
    It makes sense from my end
     
  20. pakattak

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    This right here.

    b**** about McHale all you want, but don't make connections or assumptions about something you have no knowledge about. Everyone here's an armchair psychologist, jesus.
     

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