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James Harden the Best Guard in Rockets History?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Orange, Mar 26, 2014.

  1. tinman

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    There's no point that supports that mcgrady won any playoff series with the rockets.

    His teams were bad is incorrect. The rockets had a better seed vs Utah and game 7 and home court.

    He wasn't healthy enough .He was perfectly healthy against dallas and Utah.

    His teammates suck. Shane barrier plays with LeBron and win a championships. Yao plays with Ron artest and wins a series.

    Even non houston players like his cousin Vince carter , he made the finals.

    He's the highest paid rocket and he quits. The Toronto game he quit. Clutch wrote that article .

    Tracy fans are too scared to criticize clutch for that article . That's fine. He can delete you I can't.

    The lin fans at least have balls to criticize clutch on his articles and posts even if they are wrong.

    There are others here who hit up the tracy fans with facts too. Quit pretending it's just me because I'm so affective at destroying mcgrady fans
     
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  2. DudeWah

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    The Rockets had the #1 seed? So you're posting false information now. Interesting.

    You're intentionally trying to deceive people. You purposely did this to sway the opinion of newer members.

    A person like yourself knows exactly what he's doing. Btw, what's your source?

    I'm reporting you dude.
     
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    No love for Sleepy Floyd, Rodney McCray, Robert Reed, Mitch Wiggins, Louis Lloyd, Allen Leavell or World B Free. Lol
     
  4. CantBeRight

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    Tracy McGrady.
     
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    I think he lost passion for the game after the refs took over the mavs series. Sucks that the nba ruined it for his fans. He was so much fun to watch.
     
  6. tinman

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    Typing on the phone. Yes we did have home court vs Utah. (aka the #1 seed vs Utah)

    http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/Jazz_knock_Rockets_out_of_play-224155-34.html
    The Rockets failed to reach the Western Conference semifinals for the first time since 1997 and Tracy McGrady missed an opportunity to advance to the next round for the first time in his decade-long career.
     
  7. tinman

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    McGrady was the reason we won game 6. So we lost game 7 cause he suddenly lost passion? Doubt it.

    http://www.clutchfans.net/video/view/?v=1263&/rockets_mavericks_2005_playoffs_game_6/

     
  8. tinman

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    The NBA didn't ruin anything for HIS FANS.

    He is SOLELY responsible for his career.

    Like YOU are solely responsible for YOUR career.
     
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    The only real fault Tmac had with the team was his last year in Houston. It was a bad year but all his other years here shouldnt be discredited because he sucked it up for a year.

    Can't fault tmac for the dallas series too. Hell, he even hit a game winner in that series. He played extremely well in that series but Dirk/Finley/Josh Howard killed us with the help of the refs.

    Tmac may have had home court against utah but that still doesnt change the fact that utah was a matchup nightmare. Boozer and Okur punked Yao over and over the first time we played utah. The second time, the year we had a 22-game winning streak, we were just too injured to play competitive basketball. Yao, Rafer, Tmac, and all others were too banged up. I'm even surprised Houston got 2 games off utan without yao.

    I might get flamed for this but I think the only reason we won against Portland last 2009 was because they were too inexperienced. I still remember Game 1 of that series where we blew them out and they kept making dumb turnovers. Clearly signs of jitters. Moreover, the main difference in that series was Houston finally had a productive PF that could stretch (somewhat) the defense for Yao and Ron. Scola and Landry's contributions that series were huge! Too bad Tracy was injured for most of the year and decided to pout because we mightve had something special that year.
     
  10. tinman

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    I understand the ref issue with Finley call.

    But we made it to game 7 and with a great game 6, and we got blown out by 40 points.

    Refs not involved in 40 point blowout loss.
     
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    That was like the game where only tmac and yao came to play. I think Yao had 30 and Tracy had another 30 while the rest of the team scored like...10 or something. Not tmac's fault we couldnt hold terry and howard from having a great game.

    Plus, we wouldnt have been in that position had the series been called fairly.
     
  12. tinman

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    The Rockets have had many bad calls in many playoffs series in many years.

    Game 7 is where your leaders lead.

    Then what happened vs Utah? Was that Michael Finley and the refs too?

    Actually what happened in the entire Tmac era?

    When you stop with the blame game and see the truth, you see why Morey had to let this guy go.
     
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    Did he not lead in Game 7 against Dallas? He tried, but every one sucked it up couldn't play any D.

    In Utah, it was Yao and our front court who failed. He was getting crapped on by Boozer and Okur and he couldn't do **** about it. On defense, Boozer was shooting jumpers over him all day or Okur would drag him out of the lane declogging it for open lanes. On offense, all Yao could do was back Okur down and shoot a fadeaway that, while was effective in the season, it just wasnt there that series. Not to mention the fact that AK47 was always lurking and is very good at blocking from the weak side. Our front court really sucked that year, man. We were literally starting the corpse of Juwan Howard or Hayes. That was an automatic 4v5 on offense - a JVG ran offense, no less!

    In the second series in Utah, we were just too injured. Yao was out for the year. Tmac was playing with a bad shoulder and knee. Rafer was injured as well. If we werent injured then, I tihnk we wouldve won that series even without Yao but really, losing Rafer was a big blow. We were getting by with Tmac getting the team running despite his injuries but losing your starting PG was just big. Rafer might have been the Rockets' scapegoat but you can't deny that he's a solid PG thats a threat. Bobby Jackson sucked so bad when he played in that series and the fact that Rafer got injured meant Bobby had to play more.

    As to why Morey traded the guy, I think it was just because the animosity between Rick and Tmac was too much and the latter's surprise surgery was the last straw. Tmac was too banged up and couldnt do **** anymore, he also punked the organization - it made sense to trade him at that time.
     
  14. tinman

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    I agree with everything you say, but you didn't add in that he couldn't lead.

    Leaders lead, the great ones do. It's just about jacking up shots .

    ask Kevin McHale about Bird
    http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/05/have_we_heard_this_before_larr.html

    How about Ron Artest when he was with the Rockets? he wasn't afraid of calling out his teammates

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/y_yk4Egfqys" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  15. crimmy88

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    Leading is so subjective that its hard to show whats leading and whats not.

    IMO, putting up numbers another level higher when things mattered most - like Tmac's playoff stats - is leading. Playing brilliantly despite injuries is leading. We can't blame Tmac if it was David Wesley getting burned time and time again by Terry, or Yao by Boozer.

    Its unfair to post Ron's interview because that year was Tmac's arguably worst year ever because he was playing with only one knee by then. Tmac may have taken off plays on defense but he can still turn it on if he has to - much like Harden now.
     
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    Why does Tmac get an excuse for his performances and decisions?

    What makes him special? The NBA's been around for a very long time.

    Many players with high talent have succeeded.
     
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    You're arguing with a mentally insane person. Just let it go. He'll bring you down to his level. He's just very unintelligent. It happens. Most normal people understand what you're saying. You've had good posts with logical points. Sadly, sometimes logic does not work.
     
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    tinman. do you consider yao a better player than tmac during 05-08?
     
  20. tinman

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    you said we lost because of he lost his passion. he didn't.

    So what's the real excuse? because we all know it's all excuses.

    So the majority of Rockets fans, including myself, thought next year, we'll do better. then next year came, then the next year came, then the next year came

    sooner or later you see that we COULD NOT WIN A PLAYOFF SERIES with McGrady, new coaches, new players, new systems.

    Is it bad, its it good? no it's just reality.
     

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