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The Story of Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by coachbadlee, Apr 4, 2013.

  1. JuanValdez

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    Even if there is something systemic about the American healthcare system that suppresses unprofitable cancer cures, this secret knowledge is easily exportable to foreign countries that have different systems with different incentives. I bet China would like to cure all their cancer patients and get a good laugh at the dumb American system in the process. It'd probably be a nice feather in the cap for the European socialized medicine model. The cream will rise to the top one way or the other.
     
  2. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Props to posts #57 and #59 on the last page, from supdudes and Invisible Fan. They really capture most of my thoughts about this, and I know a ton of cancer researchers in the SF Bay Area (at UCSF, Stanford, and Berkeley).

    1st, no two cancers are alike, and that's a huge problem. You can even have a single kind of cancer mutate during treatment to become more or less treatable, from what I understand. If there is a miracle cure, just based on the biochemical truth alone, it could probably only treat one or two specific kinds of cancer.

    2nd, it is absolutely a natural byproduct of aging. Every so often, cell division will go wrong and out comes the start of a cancer. One in two Americans will face it not just because of lifestyle choices, but because we are getting so good at fighting off every other health problem.

    3rd, cancer treatments are many times just brutal, and I've seen a lot of it up close, on both young people, kids even, and the elderly. If I was facing a serious cancer, I'd be tempted to avoid chemotherapy if it didn't look incredibly promising. (I say that now, as a healthy person.) Anyway, I can't blame anyone for wanting to pursue something off the established treatment grid, and I've known some very smart science types to do just that when faced with a grim diagnosis.

    I do wish our medical system could talk more about quality of life and less about "let's nuke your disease and see what's left, shall we?"
     
  3. coachbadlee

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    It doesn't have to be if people would start passing the word on.
     
  4. coachbadlee

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    More info on the many medical benefits of cannabis.
    Warning: this has a lot of information.


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  5. Ubiquitin

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    I want to write out a long response but it's really not worth it all. Instead, I'll show you why I won't..

    This is how coachbadlee appears to me...

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    He literally knows nothing that he is posting about.
     
  6. GanjaRocket

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    The sanjay Gupta report makes a dramatic story off of something that technically isn't a problem.

    You can buy CBD Oil right now online in any state.
     
  7. Medicine N Music

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    This is what a lot of people in the US thinks, but is absolutely false. Physicians don't make money by prescribing stuff, they make money by doing procedures, getting patient visits, etc. However, the healthcare system is moving to a "pay for quality", instead of "pay for production", so it's very likely that many physicians will change how they practice. The ones that don't will see a dip in income.

    Another point that someone made was how cancer is big business and the FDA/physicians are trying to hide "the cure". Does that even make sense? You can't just approve something that works in a few people. You need randomized trials with tens and thousands of people to make sure that it's safe AND effective. Also, there are different types of cancers, and patients with different comorbidities, so it's not just black and white.

    Remember, EVERYTHING is a business, so why would we HIDE the cure? Obama would be salivating at potential savings and then some. Come on people.
     
  8. coachbadlee

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    There is little money to be made off of a "cure".
     
  9. Nook

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    Are you seriously telling me that doctors do not get kick backs from large pharmaceutical companies?
     
  10. Ubiquitin

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    You know you can look it up? http://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/

    You'd be surprised how few docs receive money from pharma sources, and the money received is stipulated toward 'education'. The rules are pretty stringent.

    And every doctor I have worked with you prescribe the most affordable generic because what's the point of a drug if the pharmacy benefits manager won't cover it. It's only with special circumstances, and the dreaded prior authorization, do physicians get excited about expensive brand name drugs.

    And absolutely no doctor I know would withhold a medication if it was the only option that worked. I mean, we give patients **** milkshakes for serious bacterial infections in their large intestines...

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  11. Ubiquitin

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    There is a tremendous amount of money to be made in any major cure for previously incurable cancers, and more importantly prestige to be made from a cure. For the top researchers, prestige means more than the money.

    Gleevec makes almost $5 billion a year.
     
  12. Buck Turgidson

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    Exactly! This explains why we don't transplant organs.
     
  13. Nook

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    I was being sarcastic.
     
  14. B-Bob

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    Give up; this is basically a truther or birther thread that belongs in the D&D. No data that disagrees with the OP's ideas will be perceived, discussed, or digested.
     
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    Truth; well said. Amurrrica loves conspiracy theories.

    Also, people just love to speak on a subject that they knew nothing about before watching a 2 hour documentary. Now they're the expert. Or, they do a few hours of "research" online, filled with biased reasoning/data, and they have inadequate knowledge to interpret any of these findings.

    Lastly, when they know that there are severe holes in their reasoning, they pick out ONE line, in which there may be a chance to win an argument, only to find out that their ignorance was much more expansive.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    The country with the one child rule to control population . . . . . .

    maybe a bad example

    Rocket River
     
  17. coachbadlee

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    I don't claim to know more than the next person. I am just posting information.
    Information that either of you have yet to debunk. What do you think of it? Are they on to anything or just wasting time and money? What about the results out of Harvard? Bogus??
     
  18. Medicine N Music

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    Your first commenter provided all the information you need to see why this is quackery. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/stanislaw-burzynski-bad-medicine-a-bad-movie/

    1) The movie's "scientific proof" was in the form of having 3 interviews/testimonies. N = 3.

    2) The "miracle" therapy supposedly worked for 4 people back in the late 80s, but when Inside Edition checked up on those patients, they either had died or had poor prognosis.

    3) Anti-neoplastons have NOT proven to be clinically safe AND effective. You need clinical trials to back up any of these claims and there has NOT been any so far on a large scale.

    4) If anti-neoplastons were safe and effective, big pharm would have spent BILLIONS developing this and this would be a huge market right now. We actually discussed this in my MBA class a few weeks ago.

    As a future physician, I really hate these types of stories because it just brings bad information out there. The anti-vaccine movement is a big cause of some breakouts to diseases that were already gone for years.
     
  19. Commodore

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    abolish the FDA and all prescription requirements

    people should have a right to take whatever risks they want with their own body
     

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