But not every pro day is created equal - how many people attended Gilbert's pro day? More than 10? Was it broadcast live on two networks? Were millions of dollars potentially on the line? I think tape, interviews, etc., are all *more* important. But it absolutely bothers me that Bridgewater seemed to shrink from the moment while the moment seemed utterly irrelevant to JM. The ability to perform at your best when the stakes are highest is absolutely what separates great QBs from good ones. We know this. I certainly don't think it's irrelevant.
You're such a Debbie downer.... Anything and everything Manziel lol Why don't you stick to your tb thread
That's such a silly, meaningless deflection; it means nothing - please stop bringing up unverified, 40-year old pro days no one has an ounce of context for. JM gave a strong indication that he will not be overwhelmed by the hefty expectations that come with being a high profile pick - of all the things we've "learned" about him this offseason, this (IMO) has as much relevance as anything else. And I think it's safe to now at least wonder about Bridgewater... We're watching one QB after another wow and amaze at their pro days... except him. Does it invalidate his career? Nope. Is he still a viable candidate? Yep. But I think you'd be foolish to ignore it.
There are 3 people that I've recently put on ignore that make reading these draft threads a lot easier. Hint: check the post counts for these threads.
Good god So beano the geno smith should be able to handle the high expectations, how about the other worldly pro days by leaf, russell and jefferson george, that should be able to handle it too. Akili smith and blaine gabber had awesome pro days they can handle the spotlight too I guess mannings underwhelming pro, ryans average pro day, cam newtons poor pro day, and of course golden joes poor pro day proved these guys cant handle it People are extremely gullilble these days lol
Not even half an hour ago, I posted the following: Look, I spent most of the past three years "yeah, right"ing this idea that Schaub couldn't handle the pressure of prime time games; it seemed so arbitrary and silly. But as the 2012 season wore on and the pressure mounted the closer we got to January; when things started to turn in 2013 and the pressure increased earlier than expected... it sure as heck looked like Schaub was swallowed by the moment. So, yeah - I think it'd be foolish to ignore the fact that Manziel was at his best when the spotlight was hottest while Bridgewater was not. It's a piece of a very large, complicated puzzle.
If TB was viewed as a Manning-type, there would be no question about his status as the #1 pick. I think his upside is realistically more viewed as a Matt Ryan type - a clear franchise player, but not a top-5-in-history superstar. I don't think Manning is the upside that anyone is comparing to. I've never understood this logic. You could easily have said this about the shotgun, or a pass-first offense, or any number of other innovations that have overtaken the NFL. A good comparison at a different position is Antonio Gates - he changed the mold of a TE in a lot of ways from a blocker that did some catching, to a 1st option that creates mismatches all over the field. Players are always coming into the league and changing the way the game is played and how teams have to be defended. The idea that this is a static league and "how it is" is "how it will always be" doesn't fit the history of the league.
Fair question Thats why it makes the most sense that if we cant trade back that we draft clowney and start from there
Nope, he had tons of help, look at 2012 and see what happens when he's not getting the help he needs.
Yup, no one does it themselves which is why W-L record is irrelevant in any analysis of talent or performance.
