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Is Johnny Football the Pick We Are Missing?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by solid, Dec 18, 2013.

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  1. Hey Now!

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    In my lifetime, Houston has had one truly transcendent sports star: Earl Campbell. Olajuwon, Bagwell, Biggio, even AJ and Watt – all tremendous, all-time players. But they didn't resonate; not like Earl. (Watt is getting there but he doesn't play a glamorous position.) Those three years with Earl (and he was helped quite a bit by having the absolute only transcendent head coach in the city's history)... It's been nearly 40 years, they didn't win a Super Bowl (they didn’t even *make* a Super Bowl)... and I still hold those as my greatest sports memories.
     
  2. HillBoy

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    As I see it, both Manziel & Bridgewater have shortcomings. Manziel looks small out there and any offense system he runs will have to be carefully tailored to mitigate what opposing teams will do to exploit his lack of height. If you watched him on Gruden's QB camp, while he can read defenses, his football knowledge is not extensive. On the other hand, Bridgewater is slight of build with small hands and has suspect ability to make the deep throw. His poor pro day opened him up to questions about his ability to perform in bad weather especially when throwing that deep ball. On the other hand, his football knowledge is encyclopedic. When you watch him on Gruden's QB camp, his whiteboard session will literally floor you with its depth and understanding. It's all going to boil down to what happens in their private workouts.
     
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    He already did once, ignore it. And even if one thinks VY wasn't as big a potential franchise profile changer coming out as Manziel could be, with at least as big a local following & a national championship no less, mario definitely wasn't clowney either. IDK how/why, but even the owner doesn't seem to give a ripe flip about that stuff either.
     
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    That would be nice. Speaking for myself, I'm tired of rooting for a vanilla franchise.
     
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    Except the Texans would prefer something more in a Joe Montana.


    My favorite leinart red flag story was when the cardinals found out one of the first things he was planning to purchase was a slide coming out of his bedroom window, into the pool. I forgot who the radio interview was with, but someone from the front office supposedly had to sit him down & explain why the quarterback of an nfl team can't do stuff like that. The No Fun LEague!

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    You're only calling us a cow college because we were founded by a cow.
     
  7. Bogey

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    I don't think anyone would complain if we got another Steve Young.
     
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    going off the interviews that hes given, he sounds very football smart. maybe its his team feeding him what to say but he has said all the right things when questioned. Very impressed with that aspect of him
     
  9. HillBoy

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    Being in Dallas, when we say The Cows we are referring to the Dallas Cowboys.
     
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    If only one was available.....
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23SMU&amp;src=hash">#SMU</a> QB Garrett Gilbert had unbelievable pro day. Completed 88 of 89 passes (if he had NFL WR would have been 89). 6-4,223, 4.83 40</p>&mdash; Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/statuses/449595629883252737">March 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    Pro days don't mean ****.
     
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    Gilbert at Texas was all I needed to see.
     
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    You realize people were talking about Manziel before his pro day yesterday, right?
     
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    Matt Schaubs main problem was that the game was too fast for him in the clutch
     
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    It's a different league, though. I'm not sure baby VY would have ever translated (too entitled, lazy) - but there's no question he'd be a significantly more valued prospect this year than he was eight years ago - and he was a very good prospect eight years ago.
     
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    He must have worn his gloves.
     
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    Magic ones, he stole Teddy's
     
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    The bigger problem was that he was saddled with guys like Kris Brown and Chris Brown that helped paint a wildly inaccurate picture that he was never able to shake (some of it his fault; most of it not, frankly). He wasn’t perfect, but Schaub actually made big plays in big games repeatedly. Even after he crawled into a permanent fetal position in 2012, he still occasionally stepped up (did we forget how the season opened last year?) I know everyone is under the impression the Texans’ only meaningful games were in primetime, but that’s ridiculously simplistic and stupid. They play 16 games. Teams can win 10, 11 games and not make the playoffs. Every game is important.
     
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    Hahaha Some of the arguments/excuses for not wanting to draft Johnny Manziel with the No. 1 pick (or in the first round period) are getting down right funny.
     
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    Agreed - there are questions there. He threw a lot of crazy crap in college to Mike Evans and got away with it. But when you have a weapon like that at your disposal, you *should* throw those passes. So what the Texans have to figure out is whether he'd still make those throws in situations when he can't get away with them or if he only makes them when the odds are in his favor. I don't think anyone knows the answer at this point.

    Agree with all of this - but I think it's worth noting that *every* QB has shortcomings. Tom Brady is fairly immobile. Peyton Manning doesn't have a cannon, etc. Whoever the Texans have at QB, they will have to work to minimize his weaknesses and maximize his strengths - but that's true of all QBs of all teams.

    I can't say I have a preference between TB and JM - they each have some great strengths and potential weaknesses. I'd say TB is more likely to succeed; JM is more likely to be amazing. But like you said, the private workouts will be critical in the Texans evaluation process. I don't really know how this process works, but it seems like they should be able to get prospects to do whatever they want given that the prospect absolutely wants to impress them and saying "no" would not be helpful for getting picked #1.
     
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