They ruined a LOT of characters, not just Rogue. Rogue was really bad though. Iceman, Cyclops, Rogue, Deadpool, Gambit...even Havok in First Class (making Havok the older brother is a huge screw up). I could go on... They're about to screw up Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch too from what I can tell. Luckily Marvel shares the rights so we can see a perfect comparison when Avengers 2 comes out. (So we can laugh yet again at how awful Fox is)
Why all the hate towards the X-men movies? So what if they ruined the comic source, their own interpretations were plenty interesting. I mean, of all the X-men movies, 2 have been awful (Origins Wolverine, and X-men 3), 2 have been decent (Wolverine, X1) and 2 have been amazing (X2 and First Class). That's the way I see at least. Every X-Men movie Singer has been involved with (X1, X2, First Class), the movie turns out at the very least alright.
Yeah, they're alright. Marvel and Nolan **** all over Singer though. But this is Singer's first shot post-Marvel movies. And it does seem he's raised the bar.
I can like the movies and still have issues with what they did to the characters. Cyclops is a major main stay and not only did they make him a huge p***y, they killed him. Iceman they made a little emotional kid, took away his personality, and he's basically a weakling. Iceman is one of the most powerful mutants there is. I love all of the Marvel movies and those take liberties with the characters, but they do it without entirely raping their history. Fox routinely shows they don't give a **** about any of that. Also...The Wolverine sucked (It was fine until the last 30 minutes or whatever)
Let's not forget that also Emma Frost is 30 in 1963 in X-Men First Class yet is also 16 in 1978 in Wolverine X-Men Origins.
Why would you pay overpriced theatre money to watch it then? Imagine you've lived all your life in a Communist gulag. You churlishly laugh at your fascist neighbors who've had it worse and ask, so what's with all this hate against Communism? 2 out of 7 terrible despots aint that bad, comrade! Missed opportunities are all they are. Fantastic 4...Venom...Silver Surfer...various Xmen characters...much much more in the hall of ruined comic book characters without redeemable or creative value. There's only been a few characters that appeared on movies and successfully jumped back onto comics. That should be your base indicator of whether the movie interpretation passed any muster outside owning a license to use a name and face.
Some of these comments. My goodness. Look, I'm the original comic book nerd. At my mom's house, my wife unearthed a bunch of drawings (circa 1976) that I'd made of X-Men, Iron Man, Spider-Man. I devoured comic books when I was a kid. I remember when 25 cents got me a comic book and another 25 cents got me a Dolly Madison apple (or cherry or lemon..) fruit pie. That was heaven to me. Then. Look, they have to make changes in these movies with these characters. You can only focus on so many anyway. The last Dark Knight movie had so many characters pushed to the background that it really should have been four hours long and split into two 2-hour films. But some of these reactions? Reminds me of Bobcat Goldthwaite talking about when he saw the "Star Wars Special Edition" in the movie theater (1996/7). All these dudes yelling at the screen when computerized Jabba appeared: "Fake!" "Fake!" And Goldthwaite wanted to yell, "Yeah, Jabba's fake. He's not 'real', like Chewbacca!" How he wanted to stand up in the theater and yell, "Have any of you nerds ever seen a naked woman in real life? Could you pick out a vagina in a police lineup?"
I get what you're saying but I think the liberties that have been taken with X-Men are huge enough to get upset about. If the movies were amazing, like Dark Knight, then yeah, nobody would care. But to change **** just for the sake of changing it and not getting great stories out of it... that's dumb.
I get what you are saying and if someone's going to devote most of their time to nit picking and getting worked up over the X-Men and the lack of continuity I would agree with you. I think for fun on the internet just pointing out some of the inconsistency of the material isn't that big of a deal. I mean I'm not that bothered that the made Emma an adult instead of a teenager but just find it funny how they didn't even bother with sticking to their own continuity just two movies apart. In fact I would be all for seeing a more adult Emma Frost. :grin: Spoiler
LOL You're right. Some people are a little TOO invested in the comic book lore. I read comic books, but I am sure I was not anywhere near as avid a fan as you were, judging by your post above. I did get into the X-Men pretty heavily in the mid 80's - one of my friends had the big box collections, each one in the plastic sheath, all of that, and he let me read several of the series. I do remember being very impressed by the storytelling, and by how well they were able to tell action stories in that format. And I, like many other people, dreamed of seeing those stories up on a big movie screen some day. Those stories, those images, those action beats, those moments, THOSE things. But the very few feeble attempts which were ever made were so disappointing as to be dismissed entirely - up until Raimi's Spider Man. That changed the rules, because suddenly we saw that someone COULD make a motion picture and remain true to the spirit of the source material. (Burton's Batman was a huge phenomenon, but it was a one-off, and the sequels were poison). So, suddenly those of us who had really embraced X-Men in the comics started to believe that dream actually COULD come true - maybe someone WILL make a movie and tell those stories we loved in the way we wanted to see them - *faithfully* giving us what we had hoped to see for decades. But instead, we got the first three X-Men movies, which were so horribly cast, horribly written and directed, that years and years of hoping and dreaming were dashed. To say I was disappointed would be a vast understatement. Then Marvel decided to produce movies in-house, and ACTUALLY make them faithful to the sources. And magic happened. Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk to a lesser degree, and of course Avengers - all of those became reality, and it was a good thing. The good news was that the X-Men franchise then passed into someone's hands who actually cared about the comic source, and we got First Class, which was far superior to the first three in every way. But now we get the original director back, Bryan Singer, for Days of Future Past. And I am worried. The previews have looked ok, but that means nothing. And I will be in my seat on opening night. I feel that same *hope* I felt before the first X-Men movie. But Singer has given me nothing but bitter disappointment, and so I go in with lukewarm expectations. I will not be a bit surprised if this movie reeks. I hope it doesn't, and hopefully someone above Singer's head has been holding his feet to the fire to make sure he doesn't just make another mess, in order to keep the standards up to the level of Marvel's own films. We'll see.
a) apples to oranges, this is a really poor analogy. no one is complaining about them editing an old movie and placing cgi in it. b) have you actually watched any of the superhero movies fox has made? I'll save you some time, 2 of them are good and all the rest of them are ****. c) we can discuss this junk without being virgins, you're showing your age. we weren't complaining about them making changes. we were complaining about them making STUPID changes. there is a very distinct and important difference here. to re-use your analogy here, we wouldn't be complaining about them adding a CGI jabba the hut. if they suddenly decided to take darth vader, make him an emo kid, have a stupid actor take his place, and then completely change his origin just for the hell of it then we'd be complaining. (3/4 isn't bad huh episode 1-3?) seeing the distinction?
The X-Men movie franchise is exactly like a comic in that way, constantly retconning things, poor execution, loose ends that don't get tied up properly. It's a mess. Just like a comic when one writer leaves and another jumps in with their own vision. It's not really a positive thing. Movies are meant to have definite beginnings, middles and ends. Planned structure. Like the Batman movies. Like Marvel's movies.
Think of it this way... the worst x-men adaptation (wolverine?) isn't nearly as bad as that dream shattering piece of schitte they called the dragon ball movie. Dragon Ball: Evolution IIRC? I pray anyone involved in that movie (except chow yun fat) gets violently bent.
This part of your post is interesting. The first X-men movie was a complete success, recieved mostly positive reviews and alongside Spider-Man started the cinematic superhero renaissance. Did it differ from the comics? Yes, but for the movie lore, it was pretty damn good. X-Men 2 recieved EXTREMELY high praise and till this day is known as one of the best superhero movies. I mean, I remember the amount of hype for Last Stand just because of the ending of X2, it was huuge. I get that as a comic fan, you're disappointed by Singer's changes, but know this: other interpretations are allowed, and in some cases like with the X-men movies, they work extremely well (both as a movie and as a box office success). Not to mention he also produced First Class. Every X-men movie Singer has been involved in has been a success. Why would you expect this to reek? That's the thing about comic book nerds, they're just too hard to please.
Those X-Men were great for their time. Paved the way. Then Iron Man and Dark Knight came out and raised the bar. Those X-Men movies no longer hold up.
I disagree. Well, I'll give you X-Men 1. That didn't age well. The music, dialogue, and action are all either campy or just oddly shot. And of course the effects are second rate now. But X2 is still one of my favorite comic book movies. I'd much rather watch X2 over any Marvel Studios film (save for probably Iron Man). From the epic opening with Nightcrawler all the way throughout, the story, action, dialogue and characters arcs all deliver.
To be fair, the X-Men movie have been very hit or miss. The first and the third seemed to suffer from lack of budget. Just a few characters and very short running time. X2 was pretty close to excellent. I liked First Class and hope this new one kicks "a". If ANYthing is consistent with these XMen movies, it's Hugh Jackman. No, he isn't 5'4" or whatever and doesn't always go berserk, but he's been the glue that keeps the whole franchise together. Even if I'm still scraping the first Wolverine movie off my shoe. The second Wolverine movie, I thought, was really good. But maybe American audiences are getting bored of the XMen universe; or maybe the international setting of the second Wolverine movue didn't turn them on (whereas I enjoy that aspect).
