I am familiar with the WS metric. It indicates that Lillard contributed at a much better level than Lin for their respective teams. However, I am not sure that the WS metric is a ratio or equal interval scale. I will have to look read more about it. If it is not one of those scales then one cannot consider Lillard 50% better. More importantly, I was referring to the term "blows him out of the water". If Lin has number's that are close ,better or equal to Lillard's in many areas then I would not consider the term " blow out of the water" an adequate description of the comparison betwen the two. Lillard is better as I stated before, noone doubts this. Also, I believe the WS metric is team specific. Thus, Lillard is more valuable to Portland than Lin is to the Rockets,I believe would be the correct interpretation. I will read more about WS and its properties as I am not sure about my last statement.
HELL NO...there are only a handful of point guards in the history of the NBA that you could say that about and most of them are retired...Magic, the Big O, Isaiah Thomas...even in recent years, only Nash/CP3 fall in that category. Please don't just toss out random statements.
This team isn't PG orientated, like you said, the Heat don't really need a PG. Lebron plays the same role as Harden in terms of handling the ball and taking it up for crucial plays, and most possessions. The PG spot isn't really a big issue because of the make up of the team with Harden and Dwight. Lin just isn't a great fit on this team as a starter - he only needs to be aggressive off the bench and is what he should be doing to attack and score all the time. Making plays should be his secondary goal - scoring first. Early this year Lin played great off the bench being super aggressive looking to score and making plays only when needed, which is the Lin we want for the playoffs. TLDR: I agree with you lol.
Addition to above quote. I just read about WS in Wilkapedia. WS is a measure of how much a player contributed to the total wins of their team. Thus, it is team specific and that makes it difficult to compare players using this metric ( it is difficult to compare players using most basketball metrics because of the complexity of basketball.) Thus, if Carter-Williams has a WS rating that is equal to Lillards it does not mean that Catrer-Willims is equal in ability to Lillard. Lillard is still the much better player because he is on a much better team. Carter-Williams may be far below Lillard in ability but he is on a horrible team and thus he can contribute more to wins with much less ability.
I wasn't necessarily saying they don't win championships, I was pointing more to that additional definition that you found. I think that PBev and Lin have really been relegated to combo guard duty...again, not a bad thing, just the makeup of the Rockets starting 5. I will say that both seem to go back to the traditional role when Harden is resting..
Win share attempts to determine a player's contributions to wins. It is not meant to be team specific, but it is definitely influenced by the team (as is every other basketball stat). Of the stats you were referencing, WS and WS/48 is the best on a player's value. If you disregard WS and WS/48 all the stats you referenced were basically similar except turnover rate which hugely favored Lilliard. Lilliard also wins big in scoring rate. Lilliard scores 33% more points per minute, turns ball over 25% less per minute with everything else being more or less equal. If Lilliard scored at a rate 33% more, and turned the ball over 25% less per minute, he would be 2nd or 3rd best scorer in the NBA and 3rd or fourth best in assist to turnover ratio and be one of the top 6 or 7 players in the NBA.
WOW Razsan, did you really have to start this. Lin vs Lillard, seriously!!!!!! I mean seriously. You think you are doing lin a favor, but you attract more negative attention with dumb threads like this.
I'm not sure it works that way, since Lillard's WS is 8.4, and MCW's is 0.2. Also, if it were dependent on team wins, it would be a reasonable comparison between teams who have a similar number of wins, like the Rockets and Blazers.
If you do not consider WS as a valid stat of comparing players, you cannot conclude Lin has better defense based on DRtg either. Both stats are equally flawed.
This thread = the epitome of cherrypicking. Welp, bye-bye thread starting privileges And.... some of you guys really need to quit getting suckered into arguments with LOFs. Observe, don't interact!
In between all the inane name calling (oddly coming mostly from the anti-Lin crowd...go figure) There has been some intelligent discussion about the role Lin plays and my initial point of Lillard not being the superstar stud that he's cracked up to be.
I also posted his ENTIRE year stats which still shows he's better but not by the country mile some would have you believe.
why do you give a shet about if Lin is a country mile or 500 meters or 2 yards behind Lillard. It's such an arbitrary comparison of two tier of players. The consensus is Lillard is a much better player than Lin and contributes a lot more and plays a much bigger role. Just because it helps you sleep better at night that you can say Lillard is only 5 miles ahead of Lin instead of 50 miles doesn't make it thread worthy in anyway.
Why read the thread? The title is pretty obvious on what the discussion will be. Does it make you or the COUNTLESS other sages here feel better to point out futility when a fan of one the Rockets is defending his guy? MY personal opinion (right or wrong) is that Lin gets excessive grief for his bad performances and I tire of hearing that as much as you guys tire of hearing Lin fans make excuses when he plays bad.
If LoF's don't want excessive negative attention on Lin (this reminds me of the "Leave Brittany alone!" video), then how about they stop making excessive, excessively obsessive, and excessively stupid threads about him all the freaking time? Street goes both ways here. Better yet, why don't LoF's do EVERYONE a favor and just leave CF to go to one of those fan sites DEDICATED to Lin if they want to swing from his jockstraps so much?
The troll is strong in this one....yet the Lin obsessed continue to post making this an 11 page thread. LOL. Classic. Note to self (again): Don't let your curiosity get the best of you....just don't click on the Lin threads.
