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Is Johnny Football the Pick We Are Missing?

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  1. Jet Blast

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    NFL Network will air Manziel's pro day live beginning at 10:30am. I believe ESPN will also show it on SportsCenter, switching to ESPN2 at 11:00.

    When I watched Bortles' pro day on the Jaguars website they said that they would air Manziel's and Clowney's pro days on their website. So if you're not near a TV at that time just go to jaguars.com/live and they should have it.
     
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  3. Bogey

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    Could not be more wrong. Kid want's to win more than any one I have watched in college. That screams team first!!

    Why do you hate Johnny so much?
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Johnny Manziel plans provide a little twist to his Pro Day for NFL eyes: He will wear helmet and shoulder pads when he throws.</p>&mdash; Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) <a href="https://twitter.com/mortreport/statuses/449185283805028352">March 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  6. Bogey

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    Interesting. I was wondering why they all don't do this. You would think they would want to make it as close to how you would be in a game.
     
  7. Remii

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    Considering the fact that O'Brien has actually worked with and developed NFL quarterbacks and none of us here have _ why not give him the benefit of the doubt if he wants to draft Blake.
     
  8. Remii

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    Johnny is trying to do it big... #trendsetter
     
  9. Air Langhi

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    He had Tom Brady. I don't know how much he developed him. BOB has done less than Garry Kubiak yet he gets so much reverence here its pretty crazy. He might do great things, but he has pretty much been a mediocre coach everywhere else.
     
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    Well everyone makes mistakes and not everyone is successful even though their resume looks nice.
     
  11. justtxyank

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    Was going to make this point.

    Not to knock BOB, but to point out that so called "QB gurus" tend to be beneficiaries of circumstance.

    Gary Kubiak has a much better QB track record than BOB does and he thought David Carr could win a SB and despite the expert opinion of this forum believed in Matt Schaub as a great QB.
     
  12. Raven

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    Would be hilarious if he pulled a "longest yard" and walked out wearing a Texans' jersey and helmet. :grin:
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    I honestly expect Manziel to do really well at his pro day (it's actually pretty hard NOT to look good at a pro day......but don't tell Bridgewater that) and the hype coming from it will be just ridiculous. I do think that he will manage to lock up SOMEONE taking him in the first round, but he's not really a candidate for the #1 pick
     
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    Disagree completely. I believe he will in fact be the #1 pick. To say the most successful QB in the draft with the best track record is not a candidate for the #1 pick, especially when a team in need of a QB has the #1 pick, just makes zero sense to me.
     
  15. Ziggy

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    He's also doing all his dropbacks in 3-foot deep, imported, California ocean water to promote his new waterproof Manziel shoes.
     
  16. endoftheworld

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    9-4???? and you call that successful
     
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    9-4 was really good actually, he went to a fairly weak football school in the toughest conference in college football. Manziel was the only reason they won more than 5 games.
     
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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...4-nfl-draft-jon-gruden-qb-camp-johnny-manziel

    Gruden QB Camp: Johnny Manziel


    ESPN NFL Insider Mike Sando went down to Orlando, Fla., to watch Jon Gruden's QB Camp taping with Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel. He has written up Gruden's five biggest takeaways from the interview and throwing sessions below, in Gruden's voice.

    1. Steve Young is who I see when I watch Johnny Manziel's tape

    Now, it's the Steve Young we saw coming out of BYU, not the finished product who won a Super Bowl and became a first-ballot Hall of Famer. But the similarities are there, and it's exciting: He's very fast, all over the place athletically, very similar size. My dad was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers when they took Young in the supplemental draft back in 1984. I remember him studying a lot of Young's tape at BYU and with the L.A. Express (USFL). There's a lot of common ground: their size, speed, playmaking ability and upside. The upside is tremendous.

    I love this kid, but he is not a finished product. This is a young player, very young. He has just turned 21 years old. This is not a fifth-year senior. This is a guy who had two seasons of college eligibility left. But he is a rare playmaker. He has had incredible production in what people think is the most difficult conference in football. It wasn't very difficult for him. He ran for 1,410 yards and 7.0 yards per carry as a freshman. I didn't even see Bo Jackson do that as a freshman [Editor's note: Jackson rushed for 829 yards his freshman season, with a 6.5 yards-per-carry average]. And he threw for 7,820 yards in two seasons.

    The production is off the charts. His passion for the game and his guts are as good as there is. Now, he needs to improve in his technical knowledge of the game, of the position, of the league he is going into. This is true for every quarterback entering the NFL as a rookie, but particularly for a player as young as he is.

    2. Manziel aced the workout I put him through, and he can make all the throws

    That was just an exclamation point on his ability. This guy has got great ability, natural passing ability. He has very big hands. We had him throw some brand-new footballs without any laces on them to simulate game situations when there isn't time to spin the ball into ideal throwing position. He can control a ball that is brand new, without laces.

    You can just tell by the trajectory, the accuracy, the way the ball spins and the release, the timing. It didn't matter if he was in a seven-step drop, three-step, five-step, shotgun, one-step, no laces. The guy can play. He can make all the throws. The footballs got wet at times when we were out on the field. It was windy. I thought he performed well with receivers he has never met or worked with.

    3. Manziel can energize a franchise

    I'd like to see him go early to one of these teams that is starving for a quarterback, to give them hope. Manziel gives somebody a reason to go down to the local season-ticket office. He gives a team like the Jacksonville Jaguars or Cleveland Browns or Oakland Raiders a name, an exciting player. He said it: "My brand of football is exciting."

    Now, if he goes to one of those teams, he might have to play early. That is feasible, but someone is going to have to fast-track him. They will probably have to do some things that he is comfortable doing, that he has had success doing and, at the same time, feed him and bring him along in some of the areas where they would like to see him grow. But he can throw, he can scramble and I do think he has a good head on his shoulders. He needs training. He needs time. Unfortunately, being drafted by a team that needs a starting QB isn't the way to get time.

    4. 'Dusty' tells the story of Manziel

    We don't have to go for the home run every play; second-and-3 is OK. Manziel needs to learn that. The way I made that point to him was through a play called "72 Dusty X Individual" (or "73 Dusty X Individual," depending on the protection). 'Dusty' stands for double under when we've got two receivers running underneath routes on the trips side of the formation. And then, we have the 'X' receiver on the back side. I saw A&M run it probably 25 or 30 times. Everyone in the NFL runs it. I know how to read it. That is common ground, so I can evaluate off it.

    All we want to do is pick a side. We're either going to work the 'Dusty' side with three receivers or the 'X' receiver on the other side if we get a great look over there. Really, we're going to check it down a lot of the time. And I think it somewhat tells the story of Johnny Manziel. You watch him run Dusty and you go, 'Wow! What a beautiful corner route. Great job.' And then on the next one, 'Wow! What are you doing? Why did you do that?'

    Take the game against Alabama. He's already been shredding their defense. He's got the unders open on Dusty, but it's not enough for him. He's late on the throw, and the backside safety gets a good break, and, suddenly, we're watching replays to see if there is a roughness penalty on the incompletion. Hit the unders and get on with the game. I want him to eliminate those bad results on the routine plays. Dusty is a routine play. When I call "22 Hank" and the primary is open, throw him the ball every time. That is why I am calling the play: I think he is going to be open. If he is not open, you can throw the curl or to the flat. When I call Dusty, when I call Z In, when I call Flanker Drive, when I call X Shallow, when I call another concept, we're going to read it like this, this and this.

    5. Johnny Football must learn to win with his arm

    If you need your quarterback to shake and bake and get the hell out of there because a protection broke down, Manziel can do that. You are getting a guy with those types of resources. He ultimately needs to be a three-headed monster. He has to use his legs when he needs to, he has to use his football mind on every single snap -- eliminating the negative plays -- and then he has to lean on his right arm. He needs to learn to win with just his arm.

    I do think Manziel has a good arm. He has really good deep-ball accuracy. I have seen him drive it. I have seen him get rid of it quick. I have even seen him throw it without laces quickly and accurately. There is a lot to work with there, but don't get bored with success. You don't go broke making a profit on every play. I just feel like the offense he played in at Texas A&M was a high-risk, high-reward type of offense. I think he has put himself at personal risk there taking hits. I think his durability was an issue late in his career at A&M, and I think it hurt their football team.

    With Manziel, you are getting a blank canvas in some areas. He hasn't been underneath the center. He hasn't been asked to use a lot of different types of snap counts. They didn't even use a snap count on the road. So if you listen carefully, there are some things that this kid is going to have to really learn and experience for the first time. That is kind of cool, too.

    I just think he is the kind of kid who is going to continue to get better, and he is going to continue to compete, and, at the end of the day, if you put him in the right system and give him the right amount of support, you are going to have a helluva quarterback.​
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Also, Manziel will be throwing with a &quot;rush&quot; today -- he'll be chased with a broom by coach <a href="https://twitter.com/georgewhitfield">@georgewhitfield</a>. 60-plus throws in the script.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/statuses/449205632101412864">March 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
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