What does it matter whether future equals past? The past can at least be somewhat accurately assessed and debated. Dumping on the future is much worse. I still say it's more pathetic to take your houlier than thou "this is pathetic b/c you're hating on past Rockets!" stance while openly "defending" a guy who has made a career out of dumping on past and current Rockets because it best fits your views. But, we can just agree to disagree. Where exactly have they been proven wrong? There have been good posts from both sides. I don't think either of them have necessarily been proven wrong. I also admitted that Adelman had a much better first two years than McHale has. I do fully expect McHale to have a better remainder or his Rockets career than Adelman did though. We'll have to judge that after McHale's time with the Rockets is done though. Still never said he's a bad coach. Especially that he's always been a bad coach. I quite clearly praised his Sacramento and Portland days. Never "made up a stat" either. But nice attempt at sticking those in there. I still don't get the Adelman lost his mojo thing. As if somehow magically in the span of one season he just lost his mojo in Minnesota. Once again, can you explain the constant fourth quarter collapses? You can't blame everything on injuries. They gave up a 22 point lead today. It's happened probably 10+ times this season. That falls on the coaching. At least you admit you ate crow over it. There are still multiple people in this thread saying Adelman would have this team doing just as good if not better than they are now were he still in Houston. Not with his lost mojo.
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This thread should just be closed now. We aren't going to agree. It comes down to how each of us view the notion of "success." There's way too much flip-flopping going back and forth with stats and opinions without a whole lot of evidence behind them. Face it, none of us sat in the office when Morey allegedly fired/dismissed/ let Rick go. I can't keep reading SPECULATION that Rick could not do well with this roster. You can't prove that. You can infer based on his history of coaching All-Stars, but there is no proof that Adelman wouldn't dominate with Harden/D12/Chandler/TJones. No one can also PROVE (without a doubt) that we wouldn't have Harden or Dwight here if Adelman was still around...my friend NeNe might tell you something differently about all that. You can "claim" this to be true, but there is only SPECULATION and some quotes here and there that are open to interpretation. Just like EVERY season since Morey has taken over, HE has made decisions, WITH or WITHOUT the approval of the head coach. There is proof that Morey made plenty of transactions, but I can't believe that these wouldn't have happened just because Rick was here and *wanted* more control...ALLEGEDLY. So without any of the above, it comes down to the numbers. Lets keep it simple. It comes down to WINS. RA has more wins than McHale. Yes, he coached much longer, but can you hold that against his legacy? RA has had more winning seasons than McHale. RA has more playoff wins than McHale. If we go with what every Baller plays for and what every coach, well, coaches for, the numbers don't lie. But, we're never going to agree. Personally, I wish some would appreciate RA even if he left/got fired instead of dismissing his Rockets coaching legacy. I guess you don't know what you had until it's gone. Literally. Kevin McHale is coaching a strong season: True. Let's not get ahead of ourselves: McHale hasn't clinched a playoff birth yet, and we are hoping to perform better than our 8th seed, first round EXIT from last season. Kudos to him for the work he has put in, but this thread reads like we're talking about Pops or Phil Jackson (whom I believe is overrated, but that's another topic. ) Go Rox!
So you're saying it's okay to dump on a coach, and then change your mind when he has succeeded. But when the Rockets let go a successful coach who has gone on to fail, you can't possibly say anything negative about the coach? And you don't see your own hypocrisy in this?
Of course I have evidence. Which unfortunately is more than I can say about everything you're been saying in this thread. Apparently, Adelman didn't feel Morey's his boss. http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets...disagreed-over-coaching-successor-1686558.php
I guess this is true. I believe going .500 with Love/Pek/KMart/Brewer/Rubio/CBud is not as successful a coaching job what's McHale's done with the current roster. I also don't believe going something like 10% in close games is a sign of a good coach. You obviously believe otherwise. And we can certainly agree to disagree.
Huh? One is about criticizing the direction a team is headed the other is about dumping on someone over the something that happened in the past which has no bearing on where the team is going right now. That is the key difference. Anyway if you notice even in the post that Meh cites from me I say I would happily eat my words if McHale does well which I have happily done so. It's pathetic because Adelman hasn't coached the Rockets for years. He is having a bad stretch with the T-Wolves but that doesn't detract from his previous body of work. It comes off as petty and bitter to be mocking his current woes and unfairly and mistakenly belittling Adelman's past just so you feel better about the McHale. You're wrong in terms of what you attributed to be Adelman's winning percentage. I'm glad you recognize that because you're whole argument is premised on how much better things are with McHale than Adelman. Yes I hope McHale does better than Adelman but that hasn't happened yet you keep on saying that championships and playoff success are the only things that matter when McHale hasn't had either yet with the Rockets/ I hope he does but even if he does will not diminish what Adelman did in his career and with the Rockets. OK fine. You misstated a stat. Adelman is 68 years old and has dealt with severe health issues with his wife the past two seasons and lots of turmoil with injuries on his team that would take a toll on anyone's ability to do as demanding of a job as NBA head coach. Like I said I am an admitted Adelman fan but even I think he should retire. We don't actually know how Adelman would do if the coached this team. I don't think he would do band and think that he could do as good but if all things being equal, his age and family issues I can see how he would have problems. That said if this thread was just speculation on how Adelman would do if he was coaching is one thing. Heck I started a thread about that a few months ago, but this thread from post one is about mocking and belittling Adelman. That is why it is petty and pathetic.
trollman you get owned every time you post spam threads (5 in the last 3 months!) that get voted two stars because everyone is sick of you. You're worse than any LOF will ever be.
Don't you know that Dudewhack doesn't know who Rick Adelman is? He can't even tell me why Rick the Ruler is named "the Ruler" I'm telling you dude, you are arguing with a guy who can't tell free throw stats from field goal percentage stats and stats for people who read the people magazine if you want to argue with someone with some Rockets knowledge, this ain't the droids you are looking for
LOL, I don't make threads because I care about what other people think. I make them to tell the truth. You make this thread and you tried to spread a false statistics about Rick Adelman claiming he's an under .500 coach. It's against the Policy of Truth. Never again is what you swore, the time before.
I don't necessarily agree with everything you said in this post. But you're being more fair here. And I respect that. Good points. I do have to add, though, that this thread wasn't about mocking and belittling Adelman. If it had truly been about that, I would not have praised Adelman for his past achievements. I do actually think he's one of the best coaches in NBA history. So there's that as well.
No you miss the point. It is one thing to criticize the present direction that a team is heading, it is another to drag up a previous coach who no longer coaches the team and has no bearing on where the team is going just to dump on him. One has a direct bearing on what is the current and future direction of the team the other does not. Further the fact that you ignored was that while I was admittedly very critical of McHale I am leaving open the possibility that he could succeed and that I will welcome his success. I will admit my bias openly, and if you know the history of McHale, not just with the T-Wolves but also going back to the 1986 NBA Championship, you would understand why as a Rockets fan I would not like McHale. That said I am not going to let my bias blind me to the point of not wishing the Rockets failure and also not acknowledging his success just out of spite.
Actually, you made personal attacks about McHale based on hearsay about his past which had no bearing on his ability to coach back in 2011. Even if the above story is 100% true, it obviously has no bearing on whether McHale would be a quality coach half a century later. You obviously have no issue bringing up irrelevant past to further your own agenda.
Personal attack? That was a funny anecdote about McHale not a comment about his coaching ability. In that post you cite I don't even mention his coaching ability. Further that story has been told me a few times by people who are big Gophers fans who love the guy. I mean do you think the "Who wants to sex Mutumbo" story is a personal attack on Deke or a slight on his playing ability.
To kind of expand upon my last part to you in that other post. I think you're also kind of missing the point that this thread is not to drag up a previous coach just to dump on him. You criticized the current/future direction of the team in 2011 when Adelman was not renewed. It's only now that we can discuss those events with some clarity because enough time has passed to accurately discuss whether it was a good or bad decision. To me it quite clearly was. Hence why this thread was made.
And I will apologize if I came off as a little heated. I will admit my fondness for Adelman might've gotten the best of me.
It was part of your tirade against McHale. And in the other post, you more or less compared to hiring McHale to Zombie Joe Stalin. Seriously, your hate for McHale is so well documented. And very venomous too. One that I personally do not feel for anyone I don't know in real life. The fact that you can't tolerate someone saying Adelman has failed big time in Minnesota seems a lot more about your own personal bias than a perceived notion of trying to be fair.
Hey, it's fine man. Tinman's trolling and usual crazy person antics got under my skin and I came off a bit hot headed as well! All in all the Rockets are having a winning season and in my opinion have a completely synchronized team from front office management to coaching to players and even to their farm team. I'm loving the direction and unity this team now (finally) has.
